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DorianJF

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JBP 2 - Windswept style
« on: January 16, 2015, 02:27 AM »
Hi All

My dad bought a packet of Japanese Black Pine seeds in England and brought them for me to plant. 10 Seeds were planted that eventually became 2 trees. I call this JBP 2.

I planted the seeds in 2008 and I am totally honest in saying that I was totally clueless with how to work with these.  I eventually decided to try a windswept (fukinagashi) style with the tree.  In Sept 2014 I took it to a bonsai nursery to help me out with it and try to move it in the right direction.

Now...  Suggestions on where to next.

Front and back images
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DorianJF

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Re: JBP 2 - Windswept style
« Reply #1 on: January 16, 2015, 02:34 AM »
And a image from the top.

I think that I have to do more wiring on the upper branches to get it looking more "rugged"

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Re: JBP 2 - Windswept style
« Reply #2 on: January 16, 2015, 04:53 AM »
I would have done a literati with this, rather than windswept. Windswept is more a straighter leaning trunk with the branches all sweeping one way. It is difficult to describe what I mean, what you have done is ok, but not any particular style. What did the guys at the nursery say? I would also change the pot, this one is too deep for the style, but that is for the future,
Have a look at bonsai4me.com where you will find styles and species guides,
Geoff.
 

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Re: JBP 2 - Windswept style
« Reply #3 on: January 16, 2015, 05:07 AM »
Hi Geoff

In hind sight I would of done the same and it was actually a thought of mine too only after I had it wired.

I definitely understand what you are saying about the trunk.  This one just looks like it is being blown on a very windy day, only to pop straight back up once the wind dies down. ;D

 

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Re: JBP 2 - Windswept style
« Reply #4 on: January 16, 2015, 08:18 AM »
Windswept is very difficult to pull off convincingly.

Look at your trunk. It starts off moving left, then the wind kicks in and blows the top to the right. If the tree was in a windswept environment, the trunk would never go left, it would always go the same direction as the wind.  Second, JBP needles should point up. Even on a cascade. How could they point up and be windswept at the same time?  Totally inconsistent.

I suggest restyling the tree to something else.
 

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Re: JBP 2 - Windswept style
« Reply #5 on: January 17, 2015, 01:12 AM »
Windswept is very difficult to pull off convincingly.

Look at your trunk. It starts off moving left, then the wind kicks in and blows the top to the right. If the tree was in a windswept environment, the trunk would never go left, it would always go the same direction as the wind.  Second, JBP needles should point up. Even on a cascade. How could they point up and be windswept at the same time?  Totally inconsistent.

I suggest restyling the tree to something else.
Like he said, convincing windswepts are few and far between.
 

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Re: JBP 2 - Windswept style
« Reply #6 on: January 17, 2015, 06:31 AM »
MMMMM???

So suggestions on where to next?

Maybe I should try to straighten out the trunk to get a more realistic windswept look or just take off the wire and leave it to grow naturally for a season or 2 before looking at a new style?
 

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Re: JBP 2 - Windswept style
« Reply #7 on: January 17, 2015, 09:04 AM »
Leave the wire on the trunk, put in shorter more aggressive bends, remember as the tree grows and thickens, it will smooth out the bends. Trees grow faster on the interior of bends.
 

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Re: JBP 2 - Windswept style
« Reply #8 on: January 17, 2015, 10:03 AM »
Thanks John

Just to make sure I understand.

Do I bend the upper part of the trunk (just below the branches) further down or push it sharply back up?

Something like the image or am I way off?
 

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Re: JBP 2 - Windswept style
« Reply #9 on: January 17, 2015, 03:31 PM »
Put more wire down low, on the bottom trunk up to the top. Start the bend(s) immediately as it emerges from the soil. Bend it down, around, whatever. Try to make sharper bends (with the wire on the outside of the curve). Irregular curves.  Remember to move it back and forward as well as side to side.
 

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Re: JBP 2 - Windswept style
« Reply #10 on: January 29, 2015, 03:51 AM »
So I changed the angle of the tree and put is some more bends.

Should I bend it even more?

Thoughts please
 

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Re: JBP 2 - Windswept style
« Reply #11 on: January 29, 2015, 04:49 AM »
That is certainly more interesting than what you had before!

I'd let it rest a while and let it get comfortable in this new orientation before doing anything else for a while.
 

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Re: JBP 2 - Windswept style
« Reply #12 on: January 29, 2015, 04:52 AM »
Thanks Adair.

We will be heading into Autumn in March so definitely leave it till spring before looking and the next step

Thanks once again for your advice.
 

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Re: JBP 2 - Windswept style
« Reply #13 on: January 29, 2015, 05:01 AM »
That IS way better!

Sorce
 

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Re: JBP 2 - Windswept style
« Reply #14 on: January 29, 2015, 05:06 AM »
Thanks Sorce