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« on: September 19, 2009, 10:32 AM » |
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Ok kind of misleading but this is a JBP that I grew from seed, dug spring 07 and wired last fall. Probably was in the ground no more than 7 years. Will be needle plucking in November. It is budding back and in time will be a pretty good bonsai. It is one of the taller ones that I have grown and even though it doesn't have great taper I still like it.
Frank
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« Reply #1 on: September 19, 2009, 11:29 AM » |
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nice trunk development
you using Osmocote now?
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« Reply #2 on: September 19, 2009, 12:51 PM » |
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Glad to see you're out of the business and back in the hobby, even though your avatar is still scary. Nice job on the pine.
keep it green,
Harry
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« Reply #3 on: September 19, 2009, 02:27 PM » |
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nice trunk development
you using Osmocote now?
That's all I had so I used it. I guess I should use some of that money I am making and buy some. |
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« Reply #4 on: September 23, 2009, 03:28 PM » |
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Frank, Nice JBP, The barks looks good for such a young age and should only get better.
Tom
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« Reply #5 on: September 23, 2009, 03:42 PM » |
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Tom,
Regardless of origin, next club auction in you area I would sell it.
These are harsh words but:
The trunk although has movement no taper
The main branches are not where they are supposed to be.
This tree was never developed properly to become a bonsai. You will be chasing your tail. It will undoubtedly make a "nice" addition to your bench, but a bonsai! can't see!!!
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« Reply #6 on: September 23, 2009, 04:09 PM » |
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Tom,
Regardless of origin, next club auction in you area I would sell it.
These are harsh words but:
The trunk although has movement no taper
The main branches are not where they are supposed to be.
This tree was never developed properly to become a bonsai. You will be chasing your tail. It will undoubtedly make a "nice" addition to your bench, but a bonsai! can't see!!!
I guess the old saying fits here, opinions are like aholes, everyone has one. Thanks for yours. And my name is Frank |
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« Reply #7 on: September 23, 2009, 05:59 PM » |
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Sorry Frank, I'm just being brutally honest no more. The tree was developed as a bonsai instead of being grown into a bonsai.
That is my opinion and yes we all have one. If you cannot differentiate between my two statements, continue on with what you are doing and bravo what a wonderful tree you have there.
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« Reply #8 on: September 23, 2009, 06:00 PM » |
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Addendum,
Since I don't know what I am talking about, what is your plan for the top 2/3 of the tree?
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« Reply #9 on: September 24, 2009, 02:53 AM » |
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Frank,
I think the points that can be easily resolved are the lack of taper and the branch placement. Growth tree 1/3 taller, just let the apex accumulate some height over the next 2-3 years. Then pull the branches down, much more acutely. Then you will have a small black pine that will looked balanced, have taper and some good movement.
Frank, also pleases maintain a certain level of civility, just because someone acts like one doesn't mean you should call them one, or infer it.
John
(actually, I think I just did....)
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« Reply #10 on: September 24, 2009, 08:54 AM » |
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I guess the old saying fits here, opinions are like aholes, everyone has one.
Thanks for yours.
And my name is
Frank
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My my, you MidWest bunch are very sensitive people. I say split the darn thing down the middle. And Tom-Frank, what are you doing under that pine tree?
__gary
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« Reply #11 on: September 24, 2009, 09:53 AM » |
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What's the difference between being developed for bonsai and being grown for bonsai ? Forgive my ignorance.
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« Reply #12 on: September 24, 2009, 10:17 AM » |
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I guess the old saying fits here, opinions are like aholes, everyone has one.
Thanks for yours.
And my name is
Frank
My my, you MidWest bunch are very sensitive people. I say split the darn thing down the middle. And Tom-Frank, what are you doing under that pine tree? __gary [/quote] Gary, who do you think you are, Solomon?  |
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« Reply #13 on: September 24, 2009, 11:13 AM » |
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My my, you MidWest bunch are very sensitive people. I say split the darn thing down the middle. And Tom-Frank, what are you doing under that pine tree?
__gary
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Yes I am. I am looking for taper and making sure the branches are in the right place so I don't have to give it to some sap at the club meeting.
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« Reply #14 on: September 24, 2009, 12:17 PM » |
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Developing pines does take a different approach than developing deciduous trees. I would imagine that you could improve the taper relatively easier by growing out the top 1/3 as John suggests (to create taper between the current top and the eventual apex), and growing out the bottom branches (to increase the taper near the base).
I think you have a nice tree there - will be looking forward to seeing its development.
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