Author Topic: Japanese Black Pine Pre Bonsai  (Read 6268 times)

Rick Moquin

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Re: Japanese Black Pine Pre Bonsai
« Reply #15 on: September 24, 2009, 02:27 PM »
Frank,
I think the points that can be easily resolved are the lack of taper and the branch placement. Growth tree 1/3 taller, just let the apex accumulate some height over the next 2-3 years. Then pull the branches down, much more acutely. Then you will have a small black pine that will looked balanced, have taper and some good movement.

Frank, also pleases maintain a certain level of civility, just because someone acts like one doesn't mean you should call them one, or infer it.

John
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Rick Moquin

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Re: Japanese Black Pine Pre Bonsai
« Reply #16 on: September 24, 2009, 02:28 PM »
What's the difference between being developed for bonsai and being grown for bonsai ?  Forgive my ignorance.

The statement was: <<The tree was developed as a bonsai instead of being grown into a bonsai.>>, slightly different than you quoted me. You used for on both occasions instead of as and into

The delta:

A tree that is grown as a bonsai is a tree in which premature shaping/direction takes place into a final design well before the tree is developed or ready to be styled.

On the other hand a tree that is grown into a bonsai, is a tree were the growth patterns are developed/directed towards a certain end, and not necessarily styled. e.g inducing taper, developing branches where needed (allowing buds to grow and others to be removed) sacrificial branches to increase trunk girth and speed scar healing etc...

If we takes Frank's tree. the delta is obvious. Take the first 2 branches, they are barbells, or at least appear to be barbells in the photo provided. This will undoubtedly cause reverse taper at that juncture. One of those branches should have been chosen as the new leader whilst the other the primary branch. At the moment, IMO the area above the primary branches will develop huge reverse taper, it has already started and will only get progressively worse with time. To grow the tree another 1/3 might be a viable option to provide some taper (which should have been done in the ground) but we still need to address the reverse taper that is going to happen.

The trunk has beautiful bark and movement, something went adrift during it's development, that will take many years to correct, once again IMAO...
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John Kirby

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Re: Japanese Black Pine Pre Bonsai
« Reply #17 on: September 24, 2009, 05:09 PM »
Carve the stubbed of area (on the front), it will heal and prevent the reverse you are wary of.

Kong, why do all of your little christmas tree virts always look the same?

John