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T-Town Bonsai

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Japanese Black Pine Pre Bonsai
« on: September 19, 2009, 10:32 AM »
Ok kind of misleading but this is a JBP that I grew from seed, dug spring 07 and wired last fall.  Probably was in the ground no more than 7 years.  Will be needle plucking in November.  It is budding back and in time will be a pretty good bonsai.  It is one of the taller ones that I have grown and even though it doesn't have great taper I still like it.
Frank
 

Don Blackmond

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Re: Japanese Black Pine Pre Bonsai
« Reply #1 on: September 19, 2009, 11:29 AM »
nice trunk development
you using Osmocote now?
 

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Re: Japanese Black Pine Pre Bonsai
« Reply #2 on: September 19, 2009, 12:51 PM »
Glad to see you're out of the business and back in the hobby, even though your avatar is still scary. Nice job on the pine.

keep it green,
Harry
 

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Re: Japanese Black Pine Pre Bonsai
« Reply #3 on: September 19, 2009, 02:27 PM »
nice trunk development
you using Osmocote now?

That's all I had so I used it.  I guess I should use some of that money I am making and buy some.
 

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Re: Japanese Black Pine Pre Bonsai
« Reply #4 on: September 23, 2009, 03:28 PM »
Frank,  Nice JBP,  The barks looks good for such a young age and should only get better.

Tom
 

Rick Moquin

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Re: Japanese Black Pine Pre Bonsai
« Reply #5 on: September 23, 2009, 03:42 PM »
Tom,

Regardless of origin, next club auction in you area I would sell it.

These are harsh words but:

The trunk although has movement no taper

The main branches are not where they are supposed to be.

This tree was never developed properly to become a bonsai. You will be chasing your tail. It will undoubtedly make a "nice" addition to your bench, but a bonsai!  can't see!!!
 

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Re: Japanese Black Pine Pre Bonsai
« Reply #6 on: September 23, 2009, 04:09 PM »
Tom,

Regardless of origin, next club auction in you area I would sell it.

These are harsh words but:

The trunk although has movement no taper

The main branches are not where they are supposed to be.

This tree was never developed properly to become a bonsai. You will be chasing your tail. It will undoubtedly make a "nice" addition to your bench, but a bonsai!  can't see!!!




I guess the old saying fits here, opinions are like aholes, everyone has one.
Thanks for yours.
And my name is
Frank
 

Rick Moquin

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Re: Japanese Black Pine Pre Bonsai
« Reply #7 on: September 23, 2009, 05:59 PM »
Sorry Frank, I'm just being brutally honest no more. The tree was developed as a bonsai instead of being grown into a bonsai.

That is my opinion and yes we all have one. If you cannot differentiate between my two statements, continue on with what you are doing and bravo what a wonderful tree you have there.
 

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Re: Japanese Black Pine Pre Bonsai
« Reply #8 on: September 23, 2009, 06:00 PM »
Addendum,

Since I don't know what I am talking about, what is your plan for the top 2/3 of the tree?
 

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Re: Japanese Black Pine Pre Bonsai
« Reply #9 on: September 24, 2009, 02:53 AM »
Frank,
I think the points that can be easily resolved are the lack of taper and the branch placement. Growth tree 1/3 taller, just let the apex accumulate some height over the next 2-3 years. Then pull the branches down, much more acutely. Then you will have a small black pine that will looked balanced, have taper and some good movement.

Frank, also pleases maintain a certain level of civility, just because someone acts like one doesn't mean you should call them one, or infer it.

John
(actually, I think I just did....)
 

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Re: Japanese Black Pine Pre Bonsai
« Reply #10 on: September 24, 2009, 08:54 AM »
 

I guess the old saying fits here, opinions are like aholes, everyone has one.
Thanks for yours.
And my name is
Frank
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My my, you MidWest bunch are very sensitive people. I say split the darn thing down the middle.  And Tom-Frank, what are you doing under that pine tree? 
__gary
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davestree

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Re: Japanese Black Pine Pre Bonsai
« Reply #11 on: September 24, 2009, 09:53 AM »
What's the difference between being developed for bonsai and being grown for bonsai ?  Forgive my ignorance.
 

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Re: Japanese Black Pine Pre Bonsai
« Reply #12 on: September 24, 2009, 10:17 AM »


I guess the old saying fits here, opinions are like aholes, everyone has one.
Thanks for yours.
And my name is
Frank


My my, you MidWest bunch are very sensitive people. I say split the darn thing down the middle.  And Tom-Frank, what are you doing under that pine tree? 
__gary

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Gary, who do you think you are, Solomon?  ;)
 

T-Town Bonsai

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Re: Japanese Black Pine Pre Bonsai
« Reply #13 on: September 24, 2009, 11:13 AM »
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My my, you MidWest bunch are very sensitive people. I say split the darn thing down the middle.  And Tom-Frank, what are you doing under that pine tree? 
__gary

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Yes I am.  I am looking for taper and making sure the branches are in the right place so I don't have to give it to some sap at the club meeting.
 

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Re: Japanese Black Pine Pre Bonsai
« Reply #14 on: September 24, 2009, 12:17 PM »
Developing pines does take a different approach than developing deciduous trees.  I would imagine that you could improve the taper relatively easier by growing out the top 1/3 as John suggests (to create taper between the current top and the eventual apex), and growing out the bottom branches (to increase the taper near the base).

I think you have a nice tree there - will be looking forward to seeing its development.