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Re: Growing Mikawa Japanese Black Pine from Seed
« Reply #30 on: June 27, 2011, 12:38 PM »
are these ready to be root cut or should i wait or is it to late?


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Re: Growing Mikawa Japanese Black Pine from Seed
« Reply #31 on: June 27, 2011, 12:41 PM »
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Re: Growing Mikawa Japanese Black Pine from Seed
« Reply #32 on: June 27, 2011, 02:13 PM »
are these ready to be root cut or should i wait or is it to late?

I don't see any benefit in waiting any longer.  I'd go for it.  The stem color is a good "rule of thumb", but given the number of needles that have emergerd I'd say they're strong enough.  Since we're almost into July you'll have to make sure you protect them from direct sunlight, wind and heavy rains that could wash them out of their new pots.

I see some of them have suffered from "damping off"... which normally happens and is somewhat hard to avoid.

Good luck.

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Re: Growing Mikawa Japanese Black Pine from Seed
« Reply #33 on: June 28, 2011, 11:55 AM »
awesome. Ill be doing them sometime this week. I just got to find the proper stuff to mix the soil. All i got on me is haydite which is what ill use for the bigger part (drainage).
 

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Re: Growing Mikawa Japanese Black Pine from Seed
« Reply #34 on: July 01, 2011, 06:58 PM »
What else could u use as a mix for the cuttings?
 

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Re: Growing Mikawa Japanese Black Pine from Seed
« Reply #35 on: July 01, 2011, 07:57 PM »
Lava, akadama, & pumice in roughly equal proportions are recommended.  Check for dry-stall (pumice) from an agricultural supply place.  Its a horse bedding product.

Alternatives:
A small sharp gravel, brick chips, perma-til, chicken/turkey grit (not the calcium based stuff).  I've heard that a new turface product, Primera One, has larger particles than their MVP product so that might work (though I can't confirm or deny anything about it).

Basically you want something with excellent aeration while still holding onto some moisture.

Anyone else have any ideas?
 

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Re: Growing Mikawa Japanese Black Pine from Seed
« Reply #36 on: July 01, 2011, 08:00 PM »
What about perlite
 

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Re: Growing Mikawa Japanese Black Pine from Seed
« Reply #37 on: July 02, 2011, 07:45 AM »
Primera one may be just I tiny bit bigger in size than turface but it definitely has less fine powder to remove straight out of the bag.
 

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Re: Growing Mikawa Japanese Black Pine from Seed
« Reply #38 on: July 03, 2011, 12:10 PM »
Lava, akadama, & pumice in roughly equal proportions are recommended.  Check for dry-stall (pumice) from an agricultural supply place.  Its a horse bedding product.

Alternatives:
A small sharp gravel, brick chips, perma-til, chicken/turkey grit (not the calcium based stuff).  I've heard that a new turface product, Primera One, has larger particles than their MVP product so that might work (though I can't confirm or deny anything about it).

Basically you want something with excellent aeration while still holding onto some moisture.

Anyone else have any ideas?

Where do you guys get lava, akadama and pumice (can i get all of them from an Agrig. Supply Co.??)

Thanks
Chris
 

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Re: Growing Mikawa Japanese Black Pine from Seed
« Reply #39 on: July 03, 2011, 02:27 PM »
Where do you guys get lava, akadama and pumice (can i get all of them from an Agrig. Supply Co.??)

The Louisville club has had success having lava shipped in from Colorado. Our most recent purchase was 4 full pallets of RQ – red 1/4 clean from Colorado Lava (http://www.coloradolava.com/). I sift to 2 sizes, medium and small using the 2 smaller screens in the 3 screen set. A few dollars per back added onto the cost + shipping has yielded a small profit, and benefited the club members with available soil components for a good price.

Pumice I get from Southern States, a horse bedding product named Drystall (http://www.drystall.com/).  It's a little small, but works.

Akadama I pick up anywhere I can, as long as it's the good quality stuff.  Ryan Neil brought in a pallet when he brought in his workshop trees, so I bought quite a few bags.  I've also purchased Double Line brand from Bonsai Monk in the past.

Once my stash runs out I think I'll switch to premixed Aoki or Clay King to save time and space.  Cass Bonsai Gardens carries one or both, and Meco does as well, I think.  It sounds like Owen will be bringing some in as well, so that should help.
 

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Re: Growing Mikawa Japanese Black Pine from Seed
« Reply #40 on: July 03, 2011, 09:10 PM »
Thank You John!  I appreciate the links.  I'll see what our club meetings offer and if a no go, I'll def. track something down, maybe one of the premixed soil just for ease of use.  But if I grow my bonsai collection it maybe more cost efficient to make my own.  Again,  Thanks John.
 

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Re: Growing Mikawa Japanese Black Pine from Seed
« Reply #41 on: July 04, 2011, 06:11 AM »
Hi ChrisL,
Our premium bonsai soil at New England Bonsai Gardens is this mix (1/3 red lava, 1/3 2-line akadama, 1/3 punice).  I also make a shohin blend of the same that is screened down.  I know that shipping soil can be expensive but if you can't find anything else where you are or where John recommended, this is another option.  www.nebonsai.com
John
 

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Re: Growing Mikawa Japanese Black Pine from Seed
« Reply #42 on: July 04, 2011, 05:06 PM »
I checked out Akadama, which says it's pumice.  Yet pumice is another additive...are the two different somehow?

Where do you guys get lava, akadama and pumice (can i get all of them from an Agrig. Supply Co.??)

The Louisville club has had success having lava shipped in from Colorado. Our most recent purchase was 4 full pallets of RQ – red 1/4 clean from Colorado Lava (http://www.coloradolava.com/). I sift to 2 sizes, medium and small using the 2 smaller screens in the 3 screen set. A few dollars per back added onto the cost + shipping has yielded a small profit, and benefited the club members with available soil components for a good price.

Pumice I get from Southern States, a horse bedding product named Drystall (http://www.drystall.com/).  It's a little small, but works.

Akadama I pick up anywhere I can, as long as it's the good quality stuff.  Ryan Neil brought in a pallet when he brought in his workshop trees, so I bought quite a few bags.  I've also purchased Double Line brand from Bonsai Monk in the past.

Once my stash runs out I think I'll switch to premixed Aoki or Clay King to save time and space.  Cass Bonsai Gardens carries one or both, and Meco does as well, I think.  It sounds like Owen will be bringing some in as well, so that should help.
 

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Re: Growing Mikawa Japanese Black Pine from Seed
« Reply #43 on: July 04, 2011, 05:11 PM »
Technically all 3 are pumice, or volcanic materials. They are slightly different in pH, water retention, etc.
 

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Re: Growing Mikawa Japanese Black Pine from Seed
« Reply #44 on: July 04, 2011, 05:35 PM »
Ah!  I didn't know pumice came also from volcanic rock.  Thanks John for the explanation!