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jtucker

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Early Stages of Shohin JBP
« on: November 12, 2011, 01:07 PM »
This is a JBP that I traded a couple bigger prebonsai for with a local nursery owner. As with the other little JBP I posted, I cut candles in July, and did some wiring and thinning mid-early October. I was concerned about that top left branch getting too thick, and there are some buds closer to the trunk, so I think I can keep it in check. However the first branch on the right needs to get a lot thicker to be believable. I have new candles growing up for the apex, to hopefully continue the nice taper. I feel this tree is in a little more advanced stage of development than the previous tree, but not much. Again, should I pull needles now, and do I leave more on the lower branch that needs to thicken up? I'm kind of lost as these trees don't seem to look like any other JBP's I see in articles and posts saying what to do with them!

First picture is before any work in July, the second two are from today. This one for sure will be brought in for help at the club meeting tomorrow.

Thanks again! --Jason
 

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Re: Early Stages of Shohin JBP
« Reply #1 on: November 12, 2011, 01:14 PM »
I think this tree is a little small for the techniques you are talking about.  Removing candles and needles are things you do to establish the fine branch structure on a well established tree.  Your tree doesn't even really have an established trunk yet.

This tree should probably be slip-potted up into a larger training pot, and then let it grow un-pruned for a few years to get some thickness into the trunk.  Then, it will need a trunk chop to establish the second trunk section.  Then grown for a few more years and chopped again.  At that point, you will begin more serious work on the branches.

Unless of course, you are planning on a mame or small shohin sized tree.  But I don't think this tree has the character to pull that off.

- bob
 

jtucker

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Re: Early Stages of Shohin JBP
« Reply #2 on: November 12, 2011, 01:23 PM »
Hi Bob,

Thanks for your reply. I'd like to keep this tree shohin size, and there already was a trunk chop done by the previous owner. I like the idea of a little larger pot, but I don't want the giant powerful growth at the top... but then, it's probably a matter of wanting to have my cake and eat it too, no?

Jason
 

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Re: Early Stages of Shohin JBP
« Reply #3 on: November 12, 2011, 08:04 PM »
I agree with Bob. You're probably going to want some more trunk girth and taper.  Don't rush to perform technIques usually reserved for more developed trees.
 

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Re: Early Stages of Shohin JBP
« Reply #4 on: November 13, 2011, 12:22 PM »
If you want to keep this a small tree, then you need to figure out where you are going with it.  You need to pick a front, and figure out where your leader branch is that will become the second trunk segment.  Right now, if the second pic is the front, all I see is a trunk going up to a swirl of branches.  At that point you should have 1 branch that is your main branch, coming downward and probably to the left, then a second branch as your new leader going upward and to the right and a little forward.  Any other branches coming out at that same point should be removed, unless you want to keep 1 branch coming out to the back and let it grow wild as a sacrifice branch.  But you will have to watch it very carefully - 3 branches coming out at the same place can very quickly lead to a bulge of reverse taper.

If you are going to keep it small, you wouldn't need to put it into a bigger pot.  But you do need to grow the next part of your trunk, so you want to keep strong growth going up at this point.

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Re: Early Stages of Shohin JBP
« Reply #5 on: November 13, 2011, 05:38 PM »
Thanks guys, I got similar advice from club members today. A better front was chosen, and the only operation suggested was remove any 2-3 year old needles, just to allow for more air movement and light.

I asked about repotting, and the answer was, "If it's growing fine like this, leave it for now..."
 

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Re: Early Stages of Shohin JBP
« Reply #6 on: November 13, 2011, 08:31 PM »
The soil doesnt look that great in the picture. I would suggest repotting in Spring. Plus it will give you a chance to sort out the roots and work to develop good nebari early.
 

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Re: Early Stages of Shohin JBP
« Reply #7 on: November 13, 2011, 11:49 PM »
Thanks, Matsu... I kind of had that feeling about the soil. The previous owner runs a local nursery a ways inland from me, and due to the amount of trees she cares for, she uses a more moisture-retentive mix. She's commented to me that if she used a mostly-pumice/scoria based mix that I've been using, most of her plant would dry up pretty quick.

So the plan as of today: scrape/replace the top bit of topsoil before winter hits, repot and sort out roots in spring, fertilize throughout the year and let the parts that need to thicken up (basically all of it) GROW.

I appreciate the help!

Jason
 

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Re: Early Stages of Shohin JBP
« Reply #8 on: November 29, 2011, 11:35 PM »
good start J=tuck

plenty of time