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bwaynef

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Confusion sets in
« on: July 01, 2009, 10:52 AM »
The pictures say it all on this one.  I'm at a loss on where to go with it.  I haven't done anything with this tree in about a year.  It might get plucked this weekend or next (a week or 2 late I think).

Its needles seem to normally be shorter than most other jbp's I've seen, and they're stiffer and a deeper green.  Not quite kotobuki, but not quite jbp species either.  The bark is especially flaky on this one.  (The color saturation's a little over the top on these images.  Its a healthy deepish green.)
 

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Re: Confusion sets in
« Reply #1 on: July 01, 2009, 11:14 AM »
I like the tree it has lots of potential and a problematic area above the second branch. I would loose everything above the left branch and grow the new trunkline as indicated.
 

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Re: Confusion sets in
« Reply #2 on: July 01, 2009, 11:30 AM »
Now that you mention it, that was my initial thought when I styled this tree ...if I recall correctly.  I'd hacked enough off at the time I was hesitant about taking it down much further.  Regardless, thanks for bringing this idea back to the fore.  Seeing it in 2-d (and I'll admit, I haven't really studied this tree much lately) it certainly does improve the image.  I haven't gotten terrific back-budding on this one though so I might be left with some bare areas for a while.  Its certainly an idea that merits consideration.
 

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Re: Confusion sets in
« Reply #3 on: July 01, 2009, 11:39 AM »
Wayne,

If I were to venture a guess on this tree I would say Mikawa, but that's only a guess.  Looks similar to one of mine with nice tight growth and gray bark.

I agree with Rick, this would give you great taper.  However, I've notice in my personal preference that I like trees to lean towards the right.  I'm not sure why.  So the reverse might be an option, but that might put the first branch too low.  Anyway, that might give you a nice back branch with the small growth seen in the picture.  What does the 3-d lend to the discussion?

As for the bare areas, grafting project?
 

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Re: Confusion sets in
« Reply #4 on: July 01, 2009, 12:14 PM »
However, I've notice in my personal preference that I like trees to lean towards the right.  I'm not sure why.  So the reverse might be an option, but that might put the first branch too low.  Anyway, that might give you a nice back branch with the small growth seen in the picture.  What does the 3-d lend to the discussion?

As for the bare areas, grafting project?
... I also picked that up Matt (bold text) but if we look closer he does have foliage between the right and left branch. What I get from Brent is that a healthy tree (which this one appears to be) will back bud like crazy after a severe chop, which was my suggestion. The only thing that escapes me at the moment is the time of year, which I believe would be now right after candling. I am sure someone will chime in if my timing is wrong.
 

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Re: Confusion sets in
« Reply #5 on: July 01, 2009, 01:01 PM »
A strong trunk chop on JBP should wait, I think, until late winter. I agree with the chop, and even if you don't get back budding, bud grafting is a simple matter and would improve this tree greatly.

Chris
 

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Re: Confusion sets in
« Reply #6 on: July 01, 2009, 02:32 PM »
Just got back from sifting through my archives as Brent no longer has the info on his blog. This is the right opportunity as the redistribution of energy through candling will now focus to below the chop. If this opportunity is missed then by all means late winter early spring is when it is conducted.
 

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Re: Confusion sets in
« Reply #7 on: July 08, 2009, 09:29 PM »
Tree looks like it could use some more fertilizer and water. By the way Wayne, how is the new bundle of joy? Still keeping you in the house?

John
 

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Re: Confusion sets in
« Reply #8 on: July 08, 2009, 10:36 PM »
The saturation's a little overdone.  When taking pictures of children that's not usually a problem.  When you're trying to depict a tree in its current state of health, it's not always the best idea.  The needles are a good bit darker green.  (I assume it was needle color that warranted the fertilizer statement.  Correct me if I'm wrong.)

Right now, the bundle of joy is screwing with us ...but thanks for asking.
 

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Re: Confusion sets in
« Reply #9 on: July 09, 2009, 07:41 AM »
Hi Wayne, I like your black pine. Have You thought about wiring down the branches as a start? For me sometimes just getting started on a tree that I don't know where to go with it gets my creative juices going.
I also think that it may make a better small tree but it does not have to be done right away.
Ken
 

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Re: Confusion sets in
« Reply #10 on: July 09, 2009, 11:43 AM »
partly, but also the general lack of back budding on short branches with lots of sun getting to them. Are you going to do anything with the candles and old needles this year or should I just go back to the first post? The beauty of this type of tree is that you can grow the branches just the way you want them. I wouldd probably graft and not mack a stumpy tree out of this one.

Just my opinion.

John
 

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Re: Confusion sets in
« Reply #11 on: July 21, 2009, 09:11 PM »
John,

You've got plenty of JBP.  Next time you're home, want to share some photos for more examples?
 

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« Reply #12 on: July 21, 2009, 10:01 PM »
John,
Will do. Bring your camera when you come over as well. I generally don't think too much of my trees, I only see what needs to be done. We decandled over 100 pines this year- it is fun to see how much of a difference timing makes- our first trees were decandled the week before memorial day- the roughest trees, the next group were the next week, the biggest trees were the second week in June, the shohin were June 30th (I was in the UK over July 4th). Will be fun to see what you think.

John
 

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Re: Confusion sets in
« Reply #13 on: July 21, 2009, 10:04 PM »
Will do.  Looking forward to it.
 

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Re: Confusion sets in
« Reply #14 on: March 29, 2010, 02:45 PM »
I wouldd probably graft and not mack a stumpy tree out of this one.

John

John,
You've got plenty of JBP.  Next time you're home, want to share some photos for more examples?


John,
Will do.
John

First off:  there are too many Johns in bonsai.

Did either of you ever get pictures?  Of grafts?