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Species Specific => Japanese Black Pine Bonsai Discussion => Topic started by: MatsuBonsai on April 29, 2011, 06:05 PM

Title: Cones and candles
Post by: MatsuBonsai on April 29, 2011, 06:05 PM
Lots of rain this Spring already, which means lots of fertilizer through cakes being pumped into these 5 year old seedlings.  I've even got a few cones going, though I doubt these would produce viable seeds.  I'll probably remove these soon, I just thought it was neat to see these developing.

These pines are in colanders being grown out with the Bonsai Today 20 technique.
Title: Re: Cones and candles
Post by: MatsuBonsai on April 29, 2011, 06:09 PM
The longest center candle is 18" long at this point.
Title: Re: Cones and candles
Post by: BONSAI_OUTLAW on April 29, 2011, 07:13 PM
I thought you broke candles?
Title: Re: Cones and candles
Post by: MatsuBonsai on April 29, 2011, 07:18 PM
Not this early in the development, not for what I'm trying to accomplish at this point, on these trees.  

Right now I'm going for big strong growth to thicken the trunk.  On older, more refined trees I may (will?) break overly long candles in mid April, to rebalance energy on the tree.  These are not there, yet.
Title: Re: Cones and candles
Post by: BONSAI_OUTLAW on April 29, 2011, 07:28 PM
ok, thanks.   
Title: Re: Cones and candles
Post by: andrew on May 02, 2011, 10:15 AM
We had just under 10 inches of rain in april up here in Dayton.   Im having problems keeping fertilizer on some of my trees because of our Lab puppy keeps eating them.
Title: Re: Cones and candles
Post by: Treebeard55 on May 02, 2011, 01:33 PM
Andrew, have you tried hot pepper? When I set out fert cakes, I put a drop or two of Tabasco sauce on each one to keep away the tree rats and their cutesy striped cousins. So far, at least, it has worked very well.

Red pepper won't deter birds: they can't taste capsaicin, the "hot" component. But mammals can. (And the only mammal that eats capsaicin by choice is Homo sapiens.  :D)
Title: Re: Cones and candles
Post by: BONSAI_OUTLAW on May 02, 2011, 03:09 PM
BB guns work well too.  So does dog training, shock collars, electric fencing, fencing in general, higher benches and "some" Asian food resturants.
Title: Re: Cones and candles
Post by: John Kirby on May 02, 2011, 07:22 PM
Steve, they don't "taste" it because some where in the evolution of birds they lost the receptors. ;-}

John
Title: Re: Cones and candles
Post by: scottroxburgh on May 02, 2011, 09:14 PM
Andrew, have you tried hot pepper? When I set out fert cakes, I put a drop or two of Tabasco sauce on each one to keep away the tree rats and their cutesy striped cousins. So far, at least, it has worked very well.

Red pepper won't deter birds: they can't taste capsaicin, the "hot" component. But mammals can. (And the only mammal that eats capsaicin by choice is Homo sapiens.  :D)

Interesting...

High benches stop Labs...I haven't had any problems with 'little thieves' until recently...no squirrels thankfully, but possums and native rats.

This will not harm them, just deter them, right?
Title: Re: Cones and candles
Post by: bwaynef on May 03, 2011, 09:39 AM
Andrew, have you tried hot pepper? When I set out fert cakes, I put a drop or two of Tabasco sauce on each one to keep away the tree rats and their cutesy striped cousins. So far, at least, it has worked very well.

I can attest to the fact that tabasco, texas pete, habanero sauce, and cayenne pepper powder (and those weber hot shots grill things) did NOTHING to deter my lab from  eating the cakes.  The only thing I've found to keep her away from my fertilizer cakes is a fence.
Title: Re: Cones and candles
Post by: Jerry Norbury on May 03, 2011, 10:45 AM
Nothing wrong with the dog - it's you that needs dog whispering...
Title: Re: Cones and candles
Post by: akeppler on May 03, 2011, 07:53 PM
Not this early in the development, not for what I'm trying to accomplish at this point, on these trees.  

Right now I'm going for big strong growth to thicken the trunk.  On older, more refined trees I may (will?) break overly long candles in mid April, to rebalance energy on the tree.  These are not there, yet.

Do you reduce the leader to one candle?
Title: Re: Cones and candles
Post by: MatsuBonsai on May 03, 2011, 07:57 PM
Sometimes 1, sometimes 2 or 3.  For the 2 larger ones (these two), this year I'm going to leave all the candles.  They will get chopped to a new, much lower leader next Spring.