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Brian Van Fleet

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BVF Koykko Yatsabusa
« on: August 14, 2014, 09:21 AM »
Here's a contribution to the discussion.  This KY came from Don back in '08?, and I've done very little with it aside from balancing strength over the years.  It's been wired once, but I'd like to start pulling branches down at a sharper angle.  Any thoughts are welcome.  Currently, it's about 32" tall.  I like the height, and the first right branch...so I'll need to be ready to let one of those go to push the tree ahead.
 

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Re: BVF Koykko Yatsabusa
« Reply #1 on: August 14, 2014, 09:24 AM »
Some of those branches look fairly corked up. Are you going to remove a tiny section of cork to get some flexibility so the branches can be bent down, or do you have some other method in mind?
 

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Re: BVF Koykko Yatsabusa
« Reply #2 on: August 14, 2014, 09:35 AM »
Likely, I'd have to remove all of the cork from the branch(es) to be bent.  I did it with a pretty stout Ondae this spring with good results.

I think the second branch on the left may become the first primary, if I was to start really pulling them down.
 

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Re: BVF Koykko Yatsabusa
« Reply #3 on: August 14, 2014, 10:38 AM »
Having never done that, does the cork come back eventually?
 

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Re: BVF Koykko Yatsabusa
« Reply #4 on: August 14, 2014, 12:26 PM »
I don't have much new to add.  I agree that this one needs to be tightened up, ...and I'd consider reducing it's height, but only after those branches are pulled down.

I just wanted to say that I believe its spelled "kYOkko" rather than "kOYkko".  I'll see if I can find sources to back that up though.
 

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Re: BVF Kyokko Yatsabusa
« Reply #5 on: August 14, 2014, 12:46 PM »
You're right...typo.  It is Kyokko.
 

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Re: BVF Koykko Yatsabusa
« Reply #6 on: August 14, 2014, 02:37 PM »
Brian,

I can't give you any advice you don't already know...

But for my eye, it's too tall.  If there is a good branch that could be used to replace the apex section, I think that's what I'd do.

Careful guy wiring may allow you to lower branches without losing too much cork.  This may be one of those times where the technique is to secure a piece of rebar above the branch, secure the branch to the rebar, and use guy wires to pull the rebar down.  Puts most of the bend right at the point where the branch comes from the trunk.  Slowly lower the branch.  Maybe over several weeks.

That's a nice corker.  But the issues you face are one of the reasons I avoid them.  I've had them in the past, I could never really get any classic style into them.  Yours is far better than any I've ever had already!

Good luck with whatever approach you take!
 

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Re: BVF Koykko Yatsabusa
« Reply #7 on: August 14, 2014, 03:42 PM »
For what little I know about corkers, I believe wiring ought to be avoided if at all possible and the design should focus on displaying the bark. Further, I see nothing wrong with a feminine style tree with gnarly bark (ever see a mume?).

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Re: BVF Koykko Yatsabusa
« Reply #8 on: August 14, 2014, 04:42 PM »
Thinking about something along this line...with some movement to the right.  This may reduce the amount of bend necessary; although I'm always looking for even the slightest reason to get into rebar and guy wires!
 

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Re: BVF Koykko Yatsabusa
« Reply #9 on: August 14, 2014, 08:58 PM »
Brian,

Your virt is exactly what I was envisioning.

If you do prune way the existing apex, and it does have some cork bark, I'd take that bit of cork and superglue it down low on the trunk to hide that reverse taper!

As an aside, as you know, cork bark is very easy to accidently knock off.  Boon has a tree in his garden with very fragile flaky bark.  It's not a corker, not even a JBP, but it has very fragile ,no, extremely fragile bark.  So, he uses 22 gauge wire to hold it on.  It's not spiraled, he has a separate loop tying on the bark every couple inches.  Not tight, just to hold the bark in place.  It stays on until it's set in place at the show, then removed.  After the show, the wires are replaced prior to taking it off the show table!
 

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Re: BVF Koykko Yatsabusa
« Reply #10 on: August 14, 2014, 09:29 PM »
Good idea Adair.  This one does have a piece of bark pinned to the trunk to cover a cut, good tricks to remember!
 

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Re: BVF Koykko Yatsabusa
« Reply #11 on: August 14, 2014, 09:37 PM »
Not sure about the lower right branch, tried removing it and shortening the tree a bit...very crude but had to use paint to do this. Think the lower left branch would have to be lowered.
 

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Re: BVF Koykko Yatsabusa
« Reply #12 on: August 15, 2014, 12:28 AM »
BVF.

I love the character that first right branch gives this tree. It is what makes it something different.

I think you can pull the left side down, and leave the upper right kind of mimicking the first branch. Reaching up more in its search for light.

Id see where it goes before removing THE branch. I love that branch. ;D few years even more!

Cant wait to see it. Whatever you chose.! Really nice tree.

Sorce

 

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Re: BVF Koykko Yatsabusa
« Reply #13 on: August 15, 2014, 04:47 AM »
Thinking about something along this line...with some movement to the right.  This may reduce the amount of bend necessary; although I'm always looking for even the slightest reason to get into rebar and guy wires!


Hello Brian,

when I see this tree, I see one of those pines in one of the temple gardens standing on a island hanging out over the man made lake, exactly like your virtual, just tilted more to the right, only branches taken off will be the current apex and the first left branch of the tree in its current state. I will work on a sketch for you if that's okay. Just keep in mind my sketches aren't exactly high grade stuff :)

kind regards
Herman
 

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Re: BVF Koykko Yatsabusa
« Reply #14 on: August 15, 2014, 07:28 AM »
Brian,

As long as your are fixing typos, you might as well use this correct spelling:

yatsUbusa.

Bill