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Alain Bertrand

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8 year old P. sylvestris
« on: September 18, 2011, 03:48 PM »
Seeded in 2003.

2004' pics
 

Alain Bertrand

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Re: 8 year old P. sylvestris
« Reply #1 on: September 18, 2011, 03:50 PM »
Repotted  at fall 2004, then put in the ground during winter 2006-2007.

Raised during spring 2010
 

Alain Bertrand

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Re: 8 year old P. sylvestris
« Reply #2 on: September 18, 2011, 03:53 PM »
Stripped from the useless branches yesterday with M. Yamaji who found it some potential.
The trunk diameter above the nebari is 12-13cm.
 

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Re: 8 year old P. sylvestris
« Reply #3 on: September 18, 2011, 04:26 PM »
damn the tree got pretty big...did u do any pruning while it was in the ground, or did u just let it grow? i plan on putting a couple of my Black pines in the ground around spring time..what type of soil did you use in the ground for it...
 

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Re: 8 year old P. sylvestris
« Reply #4 on: September 18, 2011, 04:33 PM »
I tried to get two kind of branches :  short that were pruned to be used  for the  construction of the tree, and long sacrifice branches with needles far from the trunk to let keep short branches alive.
 

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Re: 8 year old P. sylvestris
« Reply #5 on: September 18, 2011, 06:19 PM »
Alain,  beautiful tree first off!  After you put in ground (looks like you planted it in the ground using the plastic aquatic pot and organic soil), did you do anything to the tree during '07-'10?
 

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Re: 8 year old P. sylvestris
« Reply #6 on: September 18, 2011, 07:38 PM »
Where do I get those plastic aquatic pot from?
 

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Re: 8 year old P. sylvestris
« Reply #7 on: September 18, 2011, 08:41 PM »
Kajukid, we moved here to Chicago from Berkeley 8/09...make sure to make use of all the talent, clubs, societies, and exhibits.  I never knew what I missed when I was there.  But to your question, I got them at Home Depot in Oakland.   Near where they sell pond liners and pumps for ponds.  

Alain, I just am starting for the first time, awaiting delivery, 10 Larch 2y/o I think seedlings.  You've given me some good motivation, so Thanks! ;)

Chris
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Re: 8 year old P. sylvestris
« Reply #8 on: September 19, 2011, 12:45 AM »
yeah i know,...im lookin into Boon's club right now...thanks though...one question though...you can put the tree into one of those baskets and plant it in the ground??
 

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Re: 8 year old P. sylvestris
« Reply #9 on: September 19, 2011, 01:17 AM »
The tree was planted in the ground without any thing but real farm soil around. No fert but soil surface was amended each year with wood chips. Some watering especially after I realized that this one had some qualities. Almost no work except some little pruning in September.
Now it is in 100% lava rock in a basket to get fine roots close to the trunk.
I had a batch of 10 seedlings. About 1/3 of the batch  are now something that could become a bonsai in not so long, 1/3 need more time, and 1/3 are hopeless.
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Re: 8 year old P. sylvestris
« Reply #10 on: September 19, 2011, 04:23 AM »
Nice work, this looks like really great material.

 I have just sprouted some P. sylvestris seeds this month and plan to grow them in a similar way.   Interesting to hear about the ones that are not doing so well also.  Have they always struggled or did something go wrong?

Greg
 

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Re: 8 year old P. sylvestris
« Reply #11 on: September 19, 2011, 07:44 AM »
Hello;  I am new to this forum but have been playing with plant material for Bonsai for 25 years. I have worked out..searched out different ways for growing out J. Black pine. Currently I have material in the field (fastest method but easy to over grow and loose material) also in nursery cans, pond baskets and colanders.

I had a batch of 10 seedlings. About 1/3 of the batch  are now something that could become a bonsai in not so long, 1/3 need more time, and 1/3 are hopeless.
Alain, You can greatly increase the % of usable trees by setting your trunk line with wire before the trees go into the field. Also for Shohin and other small Bonsai, the technique of seedling cuttings will greatly increase the number of very low branches. I think that these techniques would work with P. sylvestris
 

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Re: 8 year old P. sylvestris
« Reply #12 on: September 19, 2011, 01:23 PM »
Alain, You can greatly increase the % of usable trees by setting your trunk line with wire before the trees go into the field. 
what do u mean by this? setting your trunk line with wire??
 

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Re: 8 year old P. sylvestris
« Reply #13 on: September 19, 2011, 02:30 PM »
It means that Glenn has perfectly understood how I proceeded and why some  of my pines are without a future as bonsai.
These trees have no future because their basic structure is inadequate for bonsai because I planted them in the ground and then started to think about their future shape. One should do in the reverse order.

I have started a new batch of JRP this spring, I plan to ligature and give them a "direction"  as soon as next year. Won't do shohin, though.
 

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Re: 8 year old P. sylvestris
« Reply #14 on: September 19, 2011, 02:38 PM »
Welcome Glenn.

Kajukid, apply wire to the trunk at an early age and introduce some bend.  If not, you've got a very straight trunk that may only be suitable for formal upright.