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Species Specific => Japanese Black Pine Bonsai Discussion => Topic started by: Owen Reich on August 29, 2015, 04:08 PM

Title: "The Skeleton" Black Pine
Post by: Owen Reich on August 29, 2015, 04:08 PM
Perhaps someone else has a better name. 

This is a field grown black pine produced in Tennessee by a friend.  About 25 years old now.  The interesting root system was created in part by the tap root circling a container for the first years of its development. 

After examination for the roots for a many times, it appears to be a single root that split after about a foot from the "base". 

These are photos of the first styling in December of 2012; right when I got back from Japan. 

Title: Re: "The Skeleton" Black Pine
Post by: Owen Reich on August 29, 2015, 04:10 PM
After the first styling. 

What do you think?  Ideas to improve it?  Things to accentuate?

Title: Re: "The Skeleton" Black Pine
Post by: Owen Reich on August 29, 2015, 04:40 PM
In November of 2013, the tree had a new home.  Still happy and healthy.  In February of 2014, the future potting angle was evaluated (pic 1)

At the end of March 2014, the skeleton pine was repotted.  The ideal planting angle was not possible yet, as there was a football sized ball of clay inside the pot.  So, the tree was potted high and tilted a bit to give a few of the weaker branches more light while the roots develop.

Title: Re: "The Skeleton" Black Pine
Post by: J.Kent on August 29, 2015, 04:51 PM
A truly visceral tree.  (Sorry)
Title: Re: "The Skeleton" Black Pine
Post by: Owen Reich on August 29, 2015, 04:57 PM
By the end of October 2014, the tree is still healthy after essentially being bare-rooted in Spring 2014.  

No decandling this year to continue to beef up the tree's vigor and avoid stress events that may lead to an increased risk of needle cast or root system stalling.

Title: Re: "The Skeleton" Black Pine
Post by: Owen Reich on August 29, 2015, 04:59 PM
A truly visceral tree.  (Sorry)

It would actually go well with art Jim Doyle's son displayed a few years back at Asheville.
Title: Re: "The Skeleton" Black Pine
Post by: Owen Reich on August 29, 2015, 05:33 PM
In January of 2015, the tree was ready to be styled.  Every winter, the tree is kept in a climate controlled shed kept right around freezing and protected from the wind. 

Styling consisted of cutting off a few large branches and thinning back to strong internal branches (hadn't finished the top yet). 

The sacrifice branch had not yet been carved. 

I'll post some better photos soon.  Sorry for the lack of back-drops.
Title: Re: "The Skeleton" Black Pine
Post by: Leo in NE Illinois on August 29, 2015, 06:02 PM
really cool tree, I like it a lot.
Title: Re: "The Skeleton" Black Pine
Post by: MatsuBonsai on August 30, 2015, 08:03 PM
Facehugger?
Title: Re: "The Skeleton" Black Pine
Post by: Owen Reich on August 31, 2015, 12:26 AM
Facehugger?

That was actually on the list!!!!!  Great minds and all that.
Title: Re: "The Skeleton" Black Pine
Post by: Judy on August 31, 2015, 08:20 AM
As in the Alien larva stage?  Yes I can see that.  This tree makes me uncomfortable to look at for some reason.  But that is a good thing I think.
Title: Re: "The Skeleton" Black Pine
Post by: J.Kent on August 31, 2015, 08:34 AM
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This tree makes me uncomfortable to look at for some reason.

Me too; trunk looks like  pile of intestines -- which is why I said "visceral".  And, "sorry."
Title: Re: "The Skeleton" Black Pine
Post by: John Kirby on August 31, 2015, 10:16 AM
A little uniform for me at this point, but continued additions of Bark will make it a bunch better over time. Nice work.
Title: Re: "The Skeleton" Black Pine
Post by: LanceMac10 on August 31, 2015, 01:16 PM
An amazingly unique piece of material!! After repotting a JBP for the first time this spring, I think I'll wait until next summer to candle prune. Is that your approach, to wait until the following summer after repotting. Could this tree have remained vigorous if cut back in the fall?

 Once again, very interesting tree and looking forward to seeing your classical training show in the desigh!!

 Good luck!! ;D
Title: Re: "The Skeleton" Black Pine
Post by: fredtruck on August 31, 2015, 02:13 PM
A fascinating tree with many interesting features!
Title: Re: "The Skeleton" Black Pine
Post by: Owen Reich on August 31, 2015, 06:07 PM
A little uniform for me at this point, but continued additions of Bark will make it a bunch better over time. Nice work.

I think it's pretty uniform for now as well.  Existing wire will come off over the next year and will go from there.

Once it's ready for the preferred planting angle, There will be larger spaces between pads to harmonize with the crazy exposed roots.  Some of the roots will likely be hollowed out or adapted when the other deadwood is refined.  

Oh, and the name will be "Face-hugger"
Title: Re: "The Skeleton" Black Pine
Post by: DorianJF on September 04, 2015, 02:55 AM
Really cool tree and name.

I definitely think it suits the tree. 

Definitely feel slightly disturbed looking at the root system but hey.  Great tree.
Title: Re: "The Skeleton" Black Pine
Post by: Owen Reich on January 22, 2016, 07:54 PM
An amazingly unique piece of material!! After repotting a JBP for the first time this spring, I think I'll wait until next summer to candle prune. Is that your approach, to wait until the following summer after repotting. Could this tree have remained vigorous if cut back in the fall?

 Once again, very interesting tree and looking forward to seeing your classical training show in the desigh!!

 Good luck!! ;D


Lance,
for me it really depends on the vigor of the tree after repotting and the stage of development it's in.  This is my opinion mind you, and others may have a different approach to black pine technique. Hopefully they will chime in.  With any black pine technique, there are many steps to maintenance; not just to do one technique then another that aren't in the same plan of action.

I decandle healthy black pines the same year as repotting if they are highly refined bonsai as well as very rough pre-bonsai when developing structural branches.  This would be more or less everything that warranted decandling.  Not every bud. 

There are lots of threads on this site that cover pine work, so I suggest reading everything you can and follow the lead of those that can provide photographic evidence that their process works well year to year.


Title: Re: "The Skeleton" Black Pine
Post by: fredtruck on January 22, 2016, 10:56 PM
This tree is very nice and very interesting. Never seen one quite like it.
Title: Re: "The Skeleton" Black Pine
Post by: Owen Reich on January 23, 2016, 09:07 AM
Quick photo update.  This is from July 28th of 2015.  No decandling as tree was almost bare-rooted in 2015 to remove a large pocket of mud from growing field.

Foliage is discolored as client decided to sneak some Super Phosphate fertilizer in and dosed the crap out of everything for 5 months without telling me. 

The "Face Hugger" Pine will be styled in 2016 and most of the structural wiring will be gone.  Just secondary and tertiary branches I think.

Title: Re: "The Skeleton" Black Pine
Post by: Potawatomi13 on February 25, 2016, 10:05 PM
One root, the one that is highest and crosses over looks out of place and adds nothing at all to tree.  I would remove it.  Might be another as well.  Also possibly consider raising farther out of soil if roots would provide good base and leaning more over side of pot ;).
Title: Re: "The Skeleton" Black Pine
Post by: Owen Reich on March 02, 2016, 09:53 PM
Thanks for the input.  I've considered hollowing out part of the high-arching root and that may happen.  The angle in the photo is not the final one; keeping the low branches strong.  About a 20 degree down-tilt will drop the canopy a great deal down.  Cut many of the branches way back to good points last week and will post a photo soon.  The eventual design will be more open and with smaller pads.  Container will be smaller too one day.