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Title: Yamadori in their first pots
Post by: base797 on March 18, 2015, 02:14 PM
Been doing some repotting lately and thought I'd share some pics. All trees collected in 2012 or earlier.

Engelmann Spruce
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Post by: base797 on March 18, 2015, 02:16 PM
Douglas Fir
Initial styling done last year
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Post by: base797 on March 18, 2015, 02:19 PM
2 Engelmann and a Douglas Fir
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Post by: J.Kent on March 18, 2015, 02:32 PM
And all growing sideways!   Gives me a crick in the neck!
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Post by: Owen Reich on March 18, 2015, 10:31 PM
Those are some nice looking Engleman's.  I bought a Doug Fir from someone last Fall already in a bonsai pot.  Repotted a month ago and it had essentially zero visible roots save what may or may not have been Sempervivum roots which were also in there.  Would love a quick run-down of Douglas Fir post-collection aftercare as mine is now in traction.....  I've asked quite a few people about this so would like to know your thoughts. 

Congrats on gettin' 'em into pots  :)
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Post by: base797 on March 19, 2015, 02:26 PM
Jkent, yeah I'm not the first to wonder why the pics are rotated when posted. If anyone knows how to preclude this issue, please post. Especially vexing with the auto rotation on most devices these days, however (if someone doesn't know), that feature can be disabled.

Hey Owen, thanks for the kind words and I especially appreciate the congrats on getting them into pots as it always a lesson in problem solving to get yamadori into a reasonably sized pot. As far as aftercare on the Doug Firs (or in your case, attempting to resuscitate a weak one), the biggest thing I'd recommend is foliar feeding. Some fertilizer directly applied to the food factories can make a difference, imo. In addition, due to summer heat, I over-pot in order to keep the roots (relatively) cool yet still allow them to get plenty of sun. I also use a slightly smaller partiical size (3/16") than pines in an effort to retain a little more moisture.
So, in summary of what seems to work for me in the aftercare scenario:
Foliar feeding
Over pot in deciduous sized mix, no turface
Protect from wind, allow morning sun and dappled afternoon light
Inoculate with mycorrhizae
Water copiously when needed to pull oxygen through the rootball
Zero pruning to keep as much food production as possible

Once established, these guys are much more stable and more latitude can be applied to the above parameters. I bet I'm not telling you (Owen) things you don't know, but perhaps someone else will benefit from this. Here's one in the same boat, a few years initially in turface with very little action from the plant. Repotted in a deeper container with scoria and pumice. Hope yours rebounds.

Patrik
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Post by: SpongeMann on March 19, 2015, 08:39 PM
 Nice  trees.  Englemann is new to me. But they really caught my eye. I have some research to do now. Thanks for sharing.
Title: Re: Yamadori in their first pots
Post by: Dan W. on March 20, 2015, 11:38 PM
Looking good Base! I remember seeing a few of those. :)

SpongeMan, I doubt you'll see many Engelmann Spruce in your neck of the woods... lol! We start seeing them around 9,000' and up where I collect.
Title: Re: Yamadori in their first pots
Post by: base797 on March 21, 2015, 02:02 AM
Thanks Dan. Let's see some of your collected material in the first pot. Yeah, I had all of these when you were here last summer. Tell Steve I said hello.

I was hoping that other people would post theirs here too.
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Post by: Jason E on March 21, 2015, 09:54 AM
Those are sweet trees!
 thanks for showing.

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Post by: base797 on March 23, 2015, 10:41 AM
Thanks Jason.

Here are a few more that got done this past week.

Limber pine. Initial styling done last year.
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Post by: base797 on March 23, 2015, 10:47 AM
And,

Douglas fir
Engelmann spruce
Engelmann spruce
Title: Re: Yamadori in their first pots
Post by: base797 on March 23, 2015, 10:50 AM
Last pics
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Post by: J.Kent on March 23, 2015, 11:18 AM
They're all growing sideways.  Gives me a headache.  Pls learn how to orient your photos.  TNX
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Post by: Dan W. on March 25, 2015, 02:13 AM
All looking good. :)

I would post more, but apparently my cameras all take too good/big of photo's (even my phone), and I'm too lazy to go in and re-size them all in order to post. I may get ambitious and try again sometime...  :-\

I picked out a few you posted to try re-orienting for you. Let's see if it works...

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Post by: Dan W. on March 25, 2015, 02:27 AM
Sweet! Looks like it worked :)

Assuming you're posting from a computer... I think all you need to do is go into your picture file and rotate the files to the correct orientation, before you post. If the original file is sideways then it will load sideways. (Sometimes rotating the picture in one of your viewing programs won't actually rotate the original file, so make sure you rotate the actual file.)
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Post by: Jay on March 25, 2015, 06:41 AM
I use Picasa to store my pictures on my computer. I notice that Picasa will show a picture in what appears to be the proper view, as you would want to view it. But will store it as it was taken, possible 90 degrees off. If I send one of these pics it will be sent in the 90 degrees off .... Sideways view, even though it looks correct on my computer. I have started to use Irfanview to view and adjust my pictures and no longer have this issue.
Don't know if I explain this correctly, hope this helps......
Jay
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Post by: base797 on March 26, 2015, 10:57 AM
Thanks Dan. I appreciate you taking the time to rotate some of the pics (and certainly J.Kent appreciates it). I used my iPad to take, and post the photos and they seem to be oriented correctly in iPhoto. I also recall not turning the iPad (for a wider frame) when taking pics of the trees individually, but probably did for the group pic late in the post and that's the only one oriented correctly when attached. So, perhaps it's an Apple thing where all pics end up going counter clockwise when posted to BSG? Oddly, when emailed, they are fine? I have seen many posts here with the same issue and now wondering if the common denominator is using Apple products?

Jay, thanks for your thoughts and advice.

Patrik

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Post by: Dan W. on March 26, 2015, 11:53 AM
Lol... I'm sure he does. :) We don't need any headaches going around.

Very nice Limber!