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Anthony

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Question to All.
« on: September 04, 2014, 07:39 PM »
We had another get together, the other day. The old guys of Bonsai.

Comments came up about the Internet and Bonsai questions.

One big question was, do Internet folk ever reach a state where they can stand on their own two feet and just do Bonsai, or do they keep seeking out forums and asking questions over and over?
Bonsai is not difficult and as one put it, the idea is to reach a stage where the technique is mastered to allow one to continue on, independently.

So do any of you folks have any opinions?
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Anthony

* Obviously, you still take time to visit and enjoy the company of other friends in Bonsai.
 

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Re: Question to All.
« Reply #1 on: September 04, 2014, 08:17 PM »
I hope to never reach a point where I don't have more to learn.
 

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Re: Question to All.
« Reply #2 on: September 04, 2014, 10:33 PM »
We had another get together, the other day. The old guys of Bonsai.

Comments came up about the Internet and Bonsai questions.

One big question was, do Internet folk ever reach a state where they can stand on their own two feet and just do Bonsai, or do they keep seeking out forums and asking questions over and over?
Bonsai is not difficult and as one put it, the idea is to reach a stage where the technique is mastered to allow one to continue on, independently.

So do any of you folks have any opinions?
Good Day
Anthony

* Obviously, you still take time to visit and enjoy the company of other friends in Bonsai.

I'll take a stab at this.

To me, being relatively new to the hobby, the internet and more specifically forums like this one are a great place for the enthusiast both new and seasoned. Consider that this hobby, this practice is something we all enjoy and for that we want to get on this beautifully informative resource and dig and dig and dig for information. You mentioned the word "mastered" - this is something that we don't take lightly in this country and I think that the idea of mastery itself is something we get too hung up on. I would caution any of you to ever try and attain this feeling. Because that is simply all it is. A feeling.

It is one thing to feel comfortable enough to go out on your own and do your thing. To me this is truly the only way to learn. Take some guidance from here and from there when you really feel cautious, and DO. But to feel like you have learned all you need to learn is another nail in the coffin of creativity.

Consider this as we sit and wonder why/when/if people will ever leave the keyboard and take some chances -
We live in a place where you can buy your way in to being anything you want to be. Want to be a race car driver? Buy a new Camero, the most expensive one you can afford.
This reality inevitably produces some folks who have credible (to THEIR skill/knowledge level) questions. I think if we wish to keep this community fresh then we should help where we can. Just because some of us have developed enough knowledge/understanding/guts to go out and work confidently on our trees does not mean we should question the path of those who have not yet reached this.




 

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Re: Question to All.
« Reply #3 on: September 04, 2014, 10:40 PM »
John,

thanks for taking the time to reply. Yes, we discussed that point as well, but I think the idea was, the ability to function independently, but still observing/learning/experiencing, and yet spending more and more time sharing ideas, rather than discussions on just Horticultural techniques.

I don't know how it works for you, but we tend to pick a tree for whatever reason and the discussion just flows, it need not be Bonsai. It just happens.
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Anthony
 

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Re: Question to All.
« Reply #4 on: September 04, 2014, 10:44 PM »
Anthony,
After reading your last post I think I may have read in to it :) Forgive me if this is so.
 

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Re: Question to All.
« Reply #5 on: September 04, 2014, 10:53 PM »
Yes, Raydomz,

we call it - BuyBonsai - the ability to either buy a finished Bonsai or a shape and dress it [ as my brother-in-law calls it, a green hat ] but none of these guys really practice that, though we do have others that do.

These are guys who because of our island, had to mostly do from scratch, seeds, cuttings and some collected, but since the beginning collected was mainly Buttonwood, because they read about Miami doing it. Most of our vegetation has to be tested for use.
Pots used to be cake pans, and as the early English folk who did Bonsai, put it " zelkovas in sardine tins " [ not that we have any zelkovas - ha ha ha ]

Help, is given continuously, but there comes a time, when you relax and look forward to sharing experienced thoughts with those who can appreciate and add on, enouraging even deeper thought.

Mastery, hopefully is Horticultural techniques, and discussions move away from pruning, soils and so on............
Thank you for taking the time to reply.
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Anthony
 

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Re: Question to All.
« Reply #6 on: September 04, 2014, 11:22 PM »
Yes, Raydomz,

we call it - BuyBonsai - the ability to either buy a finished Bonsai or a shape and dress it [ as my brother-in-law calls it, a green hat ] but none of these guys really practice that, though we do have others that do.

These are guys who because of our island, had to mostly do from scratch, seeds, cuttings and some collected, but since the beginning collected was mainly Buttonwood, because they read about Miami doing it. Most of our vegetation has to be tested for use.
Pots used to be cake pans, and as the early English folk who did Bonsai, put it " zelkovas in sardine tins " [ not that we have any zelkovas - ha ha ha ]

Help, is given continuously, but there comes a time, when you relax and look forward to sharing experienced thoughts with those who can appreciate and add on, enouraging even deeper thought.

Mastery, hopefully is Horticultural techniques, and discussions move away from pruning, soils and so on............
Thank you for taking the time to reply.
Good Day
Anthony

BuyBonsai, I like that.

I encounter this sort of discourse you are talking about as I teach aspiring illustration students. And you're correct, the time when students can share and encourage as well as add to techniques and ideas being discussed is one that is very anticipated.

Interesting conversation developing. Thanks for starting it.
 

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Re: Question to All.
« Reply #7 on: September 06, 2014, 01:50 PM »
In short, yes.

For me the internet is just another tool for learning about this wonderful art. I've read a bunch of books, read many blogs, read many forums, asked a lot of questions, etc attempting to learn about bonsai. I find it helpful to get as many sources to learn from as possible then use those lessons to see what is applicable to my plants and environment.

I've read people espouse that you should only learn bonsai from one artist so that you learn all of that person's methods and don't mix techniques or ideas from other teachers. They must hate the internet bonsai people. For some of us studying under one teacher isn't really realistic. I've done a couple workshops so far, one with Bjorn Bjorholm and one with Adam Lavigne. I learned quite a bit from both and didn't seem to have any conflicting information about my junipers. Probably the only difference in opinion from them might be soil mixtures, but that's something that could be considered more location specific.

I don't expect to be on the level of an artist like Boon, Bill Valavanis, etc, just by asking questions on forums. But if I keep training and learning, maybe in 20-30 years I'll have some trees that nice.