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DorianJF

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Wild Olive - Advice needed
« on: November 20, 2014, 11:46 AM »
Hi

Here is another of the bonsai that I inherited from my father in law.

It is a Wild Olive - Olea europaea subsp. africana

It has a estimated age of 74 years (1940) with a height of 68 cm (26.77 inches) and a width at the top of 50 cm (19.68 inches)

There is a large piece of dead wood that runs the length of the trunk that I believe add loads of character to the tree.  There is also a few other areas where dead wood has been made.

Now my question is this - Do you think that I should remove some or all of the dead wood and carve it away or should it be left as is?
 

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Re: Wild Olive - Advice needed
« Reply #1 on: November 20, 2014, 11:47 AM »
Some more pics
 

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Re: Wild Olive - Advice needed
« Reply #2 on: November 20, 2014, 01:38 PM »
I see chop the right.

Small apex on left.

Love the DW.

Bunjin.

Sorce
 

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Re: Wild Olive - Advice needed
« Reply #3 on: November 20, 2014, 02:24 PM »
Wow Sorce

Never Thought of that.

So remove this? Maybe create another dead wood area?
 

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Re: Wild Olive - Advice needed
« Reply #4 on: November 20, 2014, 03:01 PM »
What are YOUR plans for this tree?
 

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Re: Wild Olive - Advice needed
« Reply #5 on: November 20, 2014, 03:26 PM »
Hi Bwaynef

I actually like the style that it is but I would like to ensure that the upper part is fuller.

Right now I feel that the split creates 2 separate areas at the top. In the split I have 2 new branches that have shot out. I am planning to let them grow for a few seasons to see if they could fill in the opening right above the split.

I would also like to do some bending on the stem so that I can reduced the height of the bonsai. My feeling is that the stem is slightly to long.

I hope I explained that correctly.   Your thoughts?
 

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Re: Wild Olive - Advice needed
« Reply #6 on: November 21, 2014, 10:00 PM »
Yeah this a difficult one. This is a significant tree because of its age, so whatever you do should be carefully thought through.
  Its a bit lanky for its thickness. In saying that there certainly is nothing wrong with a lanky tree. The African plains is full of them.
I'm all for styling African trees in African shapes. If this was mine I would not cut anything. I would go with a flat top/pierneef  style. This tree is already halfway there.
I would plant it a bit deeper so the roots aren't that exposed. Do some root work to improve the nebari to. Plant it in a bigger pot and grow the top wider until the top and trunk are in balance.
That should keep you busy for the foreseeable future... ;D
 

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Re: Wild Olive - Advice needed
« Reply #7 on: November 21, 2014, 10:44 PM »
Thanks Fredman

I agree with you on the pierneef style. Definitely need the top to grow wider and get something going with the nebari.
 

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Re: Wild Olive - Advice needed
« Reply #8 on: November 22, 2014, 03:22 AM »
Yes, but.....

   I do like the flat top idea too. My only worry is the place where that crotch branch is growing may become too thick.

However, I do not know olive growing habits.
Can you move those thicker branches on trunks at all?

Sorce
 

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Re: Wild Olive - Advice needed
« Reply #9 on: November 22, 2014, 05:56 AM »
Sorce,

the olive down here is from South African seed, and even at 28 to 29 years of age, it is sending shoots out from all over.
There is a good chance that this olive could be shortened.
As with all things - test ideas on expendables.

Good Day
Anthony

* The olive about 8" tall from seed and never in a pot larger than what is showen.
 

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Re: Wild Olive - Advice needed
« Reply #10 on: November 22, 2014, 07:21 PM »
Sorce I also am worried about that crotch branch. I think it might have to be removed. It will definitely thicken there.
Anthony. It true the wild olive do back bud well, but is also a slow grower.
Dorian if you are feeling adventurous it might be a good idea to make two trees out of this. Layer it at the bottom bend and start over with the bottom while developing the top into a Pierneef or umbrella.
You might want to talk to Lennard in Rustenburg. He is really into Olives...
Have a look at his blog ...... http://lennardsbonsaibeginnings.blogspot.co.nz/
 

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Re: Wild Olive - Advice needed
« Reply #11 on: November 24, 2014, 01:56 AM »
Yes, but.....

   I do like the flat top idea too. My only worry is the place where that crotch branch is growing may become too thick.

However, I do not know olive growing habits.
Can you move those thicker branches on trunks at all?

Sorce
Sorce...  Crotch Branch?  Sorry, not to sure which one that is.  Are you talking about where the stem splits into the 2 branches?
Also the branches seem to be very brittle and not to sure if they will really move.
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Re: Wild Olive - Advice needed
« Reply #12 on: November 24, 2014, 01:59 AM »
Sorce I also am worried about that crotch branch. I think it might have to be removed. It will definitely thicken there.
Anthony. It true the wild olive do back bud well, but is also a slow grower.
Dorian if you are feeling adventurous it might be a good idea to make two trees out of this. Layer it at the bottom bend and start over with the bottom while developing the top into a Pierneef or umbrella.
You might want to talk to Lennard in Rustenburg. He is really into Olives...
Have a look at his blog ...... http://lennardsbonsaibeginnings.blogspot.co.nz/

Hi Fredman.

Mmmmmm, adventurous?  Not so sure on that one.  I definitely think what you are suggesting could work, I'm to scared to try it.

Will definitely look at Lennards.  I used to be part of a South Africa Bonsai forum that shut down and lennard was a regular poster, so I will make contact again.  Thanks so much
 
 

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Re: Wild Olive - Advice needed
« Reply #13 on: November 24, 2014, 08:43 AM »
Hello Dorian,

The little branch in that 'mik' is going to cause that area to expand and form a knuckle thats going to spoil the whole thing. You might want to consider cutting that out now. I would definitely do a pierneef with that awesome character in the trunk. also lean it slightly to the right and create two separate canopies one from the branch on the right and one from the branch on the left. The biggest challenge would be to have ceherency between the two canopies. Also both of them should extend left and right , with the lower right canopy being a tad smaller the other canopy... jeeze what a mouth full. Will rather sketch my idea, would better explain the picture in my head

Kind regards
Herman
 

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Re: Wild Olive - Advice needed
« Reply #14 on: November 24, 2014, 09:05 AM »
Hi Herman. Thanks for the explanation.  I understand what you are mean. I was going to use that small branch in the "mik" to bece part of the canopy but I understand what it will do. So those will have to go.