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Why Should I Sift Bonsai Soil?
« on: March 11, 2012, 01:50 PM »
Because this stuff forms solid concrete in the bottom of the pot!

Do you sift?
 

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Re: Why Should I Sift Bonsai Soil?
« Reply #1 on: March 11, 2012, 02:32 PM »
Yep, sift down in to 4 sizes, sift Clay King down to two.
 

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Re: Why Should I Sift Bonsai Soil?
« Reply #2 on: March 11, 2012, 07:50 PM »
I sift too!

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Re: Why Should I Sift Bonsai Soil?
« Reply #3 on: March 12, 2012, 10:20 AM »
Nope. Haven't sifted any of my soil ingredients in 20 years...
 

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Re: Why Should I Sift Bonsai Soil?
« Reply #4 on: March 12, 2012, 10:38 AM »
Interesting rock.  What components do you (usually) use?

Also, I'm not sure I've ever seen any of your trees posted online.  Would love to see the results sometime, if you were so inclined.


 

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Re: Why Should I Sift Bonsai Soil?
« Reply #5 on: March 12, 2012, 11:54 AM »
Oh yah, I sift and rinse my pumice and lava. 
 

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Re: Why Should I Sift Bonsai Soil?
« Reply #6 on: March 12, 2012, 02:24 PM »
"Interesting rock.  What components do you (usually) use?"

Haydite, crushed granite, swimming pool filter sand, composted pine bark and orchid bark are ingredients I've used unsifted over the years.

You can find a pic of my live oak at the end of this thread here:
http://bonsaistudygroup.com/deciduous-bonsai-discussion/old-collected-southern-live-oak/15/

The oak has been considerably reworked since it was entered in the show, though. It was a last-minute fill-in there.

I've not been sifting my soil for years :D. I think it's a lot of effort for little return, at least inmy case. I've found that the sifting process itself can turn soil into muck, especially if you're using some kinds of akadama. The process is particularly hard on organic components.
 

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Re: Why Should I Sift Bonsai Soil?
« Reply #7 on: March 13, 2012, 04:21 PM »
I generally do not sift my soil, with the exception of pumice, which I get from bags of Dry Stall which have lots of fines in them.  I also wash the crushed granite that I get through Granni-Grit bags, as I find the fines don't sift out very well and I do not want to breathe in that kind of dust.
 

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Re: Why Should I Sift Bonsai Soil?
« Reply #8 on: March 13, 2012, 07:53 PM »
You, know it is funny tho how people can take a tree (especially pines and junipers) to Boon and he can look at it and say- you didn't sift the soil did you? They look at him and say "how did you know?", He says, "just just look at the tree". Hmm, sounds a little Yoda-esque, but who knows.....

 

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Re: Why Should I Sift Bonsai Soil?
« Reply #9 on: March 14, 2012, 09:45 AM »
Even though I sift my Turface and lava, and grit, come time to use it, it still has a fair amount of dust that gets washed out.  Strange.
 

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Re: Why Should I Sift Bonsai Soil?
« Reply #10 on: March 14, 2012, 09:56 AM »
"You, know it is funny tho how people can take a tree (especially pines and junipers) to Boon and he can look at it and say- you didn't sift the soil did you? They look at him and say "how did you know?", He says, "just just look at the tree". Hmm, sounds a little Yoda-esque, but who knows..... "

Oh for heavens sake...  ::)
 

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Re: Why Should I Sift Bonsai Soil?
« Reply #11 on: March 14, 2012, 01:35 PM »
Take a tree to Boon. Oh, you can't. Just a thought.
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Re: Why Should I Sift Bonsai Soil?
« Reply #12 on: March 14, 2012, 01:47 PM »
"Take a tree to Boon".

Yeah, riiight ::)... You paying the air fare and freight?

This kind of superior Tsk Tsking is a bit grating. Boon is great, Boon is good, etc. etc., we know, we know (you da man for going to him  ::)),  but there are more than three or four ways to skin a cat. 

I simply don't have the resources or time to fly out to the West Coast to indulge my bonsai habit. Doesn't mean I'm mistreating my trees, failing them or whatever is being implied because I don't take my trees to an expert.

I have simply used something that works--pretty well. Am I Boon? Hardly...but I am also not unknowledgeable about what works.
 

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Re: Why Should I Sift Bonsai Soil?
« Reply #13 on: March 14, 2012, 01:54 PM »
...and the great soil debate continues.  :)
 

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Re: Why Should I Sift Bonsai Soil?
« Reply #14 on: March 14, 2012, 05:07 PM »
Rock, sorry, won't engage in tongue in cheek banter anymore. The way you have liked to kick people in the pants over the years, in your posts, I thought you might enjoy a little humor (thus the Yoda reference and seeing through the sides of pots to see unsifted soil, oh, and taking trees by plane to California for a soil evaluation....). Tsk, Tsking? Hmm, well you have told me by golly! ::).  
« Last Edit: March 14, 2012, 05:08 PM by John Kirby »