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Don Dunn

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When people talk about planting your tree in the ground
« on: February 07, 2013, 09:45 PM »
When people talk about planting their tree in the ground what type soil is used ? Would you use plain garden dirt, compost, potting soil or something like Akadama? What do you use?
Another question is when you put a stone or tile under the tree how deep is the tile/stone and how much soil would be put between the tree and the tile?
 

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Re: When people talk about planting your tree in the ground
« Reply #1 on: February 07, 2013, 11:30 PM »
This thread will answer most of your questions.  As to the soil, whatever garden soil you have, you can amend it with potting soil or old bonsai soil if your yard soil isn't very good. 

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http://bonsaistudygroup.com/deciduous-bonsai-discussion/a-maple-project/
 

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Re: When people talk about planting your tree in the ground
« Reply #2 on: February 08, 2013, 01:54 AM »
Thanks Alex, you've been very helpful.
 

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Re: When people talk about planting your tree in the ground
« Reply #3 on: February 08, 2013, 09:14 AM »
When people talk about planting their tree in the ground what type soil is used ? Would you use plain garden dirt, compost, potting soil or something like Akadama? What do you use?
Another question is when you put a stone or tile under the tree how deep is the tile/stone and how much soil would be put between the tree and the tile?

Its been a while since I've had a grow-bed, but its been on my list for a couple of years (since we moved).  Maybe this year...

Alas, the soil I'd like to use will ideally be pretty loose and drain well.  I think I'll opt for a raised bed for improved drainage as well.  I'm planning on using some quality soil blend cut with old bonsai soil and maybe some turface/dry-stall I haven't used yet, depending on my repotting needs this year.  I'll also be adding compost on TOP (side dressing) throughout the year, as compost becomes available.

With the tile, ideally you want it as close to the nebari as you can get it.  The idea is that the tile will direct all the root growth OUT instead of down.  If you just plop the rootball down on top of the tile then you've wasted effort and tile.
 

Don Dunn

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Re: When people talk about planting your tree in the ground
« Reply #4 on: February 08, 2013, 01:40 PM »
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The reason I asked is I had some dug plants that had to get in the ground pretty quickly. I used compost, some decomposed granite, perlite and about 25 percent my natural clay soil. It is semi raised because it on a hill.
As far as the tile goes I wasn't sure and did not have any tile handy so I cut some redwood fence boards and put them about three inches down then about an  inch of soil flared the roots out and planted then with about a half inch of soil on top. Just hoping I got the idea close enough to keep them alive. That's one subject I have never really seen illustrated before.
Thanks for your reply, it sounds like I did OK, I hope so.
 

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Re: When people talk about planting your tree in the ground
« Reply #5 on: February 08, 2013, 11:50 PM »
I've built a raised bed and filled it with used bonsai soil, its a very porous mix. I put flat stones underneath the trees so the roots can't go too deep. I've had to remove a tree recently and it was easy to take out. I just lifted it with a shovel and it popped up the hard part was getting it untangled with the roots of trees next to it as I made the mistake of planting the trees too close together.
 

Don Dunn

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Re: When people talk about planting your tree in the ground
« Reply #6 on: February 09, 2013, 01:08 AM »
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 That raises a question for me, how big/old are the trees you are talking about and how close trunk to trunk did you plant them. I put my one gallon, three year old  pines about a foot an a half apart. I hope that's not to close as I don't have that much room.
 

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Re: When people talk about planting your tree in the ground
« Reply #7 on: February 13, 2013, 02:32 AM »
Presently,my friend has hackberrys in colanders in plant troughs [ think raised beds ] in soil designed to drain well. He hopes to reach 3 inch trunks and then start training for branches.
In the tropics hackberrys can grow well for well over 5 years and not need to winter rest, just make sure they stay well watered.

I, as a test, took a ficus and cut below where it had 4 roots growing out radially, and am hoping that it will survive and produce perhaps 2 more roots also radially.
If I were smarter, I would have put a brick slab under the cut  ::)
Oh well next 2 or 3 years, we do over :)
Good Morning.
Anthony
 

thuan L.

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Re: When people talk about planting your tree in the ground
« Reply #8 on: February 14, 2013, 02:34 PM »
Don I figured out through trial and error that the spacing depends on the species and ultimately how large you'd like to let the tree grow. The trees that I allow to grow freely unpruned put on massive amounts of growth vs trees that I've cut down because they've gotten too large. I have a combination of tridents, japanese maples, and junipers that I built a raised bed for at my parents house 4-5 years ago. The tridents and maples have completely shaded the junipers! So I'm making the decision to remove the junipers soon. Here is an example of some junipers at my house only grown in the ground for a year and a half from small whips that I contorted. I planted them too close together and once they start touching I'm going to remove some to give others room.
 

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Re: When people talk about planting your tree in the ground
« Reply #9 on: February 14, 2013, 02:38 PM »
I can't figure out how to post multiple pictures on the same post but here is a picture of the shimpaku's planted too close together. They were small whips smaller then a pencil in thickness! I contorted them with wire, let them grow for 3 years in training pots, they barely grew. I put them in the ground 1.5 years later they've doubled in size! Probably half inch to inch in trunk size now.
 

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Re: When people talk about planting your tree in the ground
« Reply #10 on: February 14, 2013, 02:45 PM »
Heres a picture of my raised bed, I planted this pine in a colander too close to my brazilian raintree. The brazilian was a cutting the smallest one you can imagine! After 1.5 years in the ground its at half an inch in thickness. The pine has put on alot of growth as well. The colander barely wiggles which indicates to me the roots have grown significantly. I'm going to have to make a decision next year which tree I move because they are planted too close. Not sure if you can tell but the mix they are in is my left over lava, pumice, perlite, sand, akadama, and whatever else I used. The great thing about using a pourous mix is the weeds are easy to remove, the trees will come out easy without too much harm to roots. My only concern is these trees are grown outside so people can take them easily too...
 

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Re: When people talk about planting your tree in the ground
« Reply #11 on: February 14, 2013, 06:09 PM »
I can't figure out how to post multiple pictures on the same post but here is a picture of the shimpaku's planted too close together. They were small whips smaller then a pencil in thickness! I contorted them with wire, let them grow for 3 years in training pots, they barely grew. I put them in the ground 1.5 years later they've doubled in size! Probably half inch to inch in trunk size now.

Great growth tlam!  I have some in the ground 1 yr. and they only increased about 30-40%.  I did bare root them (rooted cuttings) and also applied a lot of wire, and only got am direct sun.  So I'm going to try to move them as gently as possible this yr too to a better part of the yard.  (I also did what you did and planted tridents and elms too close to the junipers lol)  Hey, it's learning process right? ;)  Thanks for posting, very inspirational.

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Re: When people talk about planting your tree in the ground
« Reply #12 on: February 14, 2013, 10:23 PM »
tlam
I had the same problem with adding more than one picture at a time. It's simple when you see where it is. I think after you add the first picture a new browse opens up under the original one and each time there after. I can't remember for sure if it says browse but what ever the  word used just look directly under the the last button you used. Maybe someone else can explain it better.
Good job on the raised beds and plant development.   
 

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Re: When people talk about planting your tree in the ground
« Reply #13 on: February 15, 2013, 01:55 PM »
Chris the trees I put into the ground were cuttings at one point, I trained them in containers for 1-3 years before putting them in the ground. Perhaps by not disturbing the roots they grew faster. In the next few years I plan on digging up certain trees to do some nebari work.

Don, I kinda get what your saying. I'll have to fumble around a bit to figure out how to post multiple photos. Thanks!
 

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Re: When people talk about planting your tree in the ground
« Reply #14 on: February 15, 2013, 02:22 PM »
Actually, if you look next to the "Browse.." button at the bottom where you upload your first picture it says (more attachments) and is click-able.  Click it and it will give you the option to upload a second photo, do it again and you get a third etc.

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