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Title: Watering Head for Bonsai
Post by: oakandwalnut on April 08, 2012, 04:27 PM
Hey Everyone,
Does anyone know of a good water sprayer that is the correct softness for bonsai?
If so, can you send me to a link?
Title: Re: Watering Head for Bonsai
Post by: John Kirby on April 08, 2012, 07:02 PM
Google- water breaker (Dramm narrows it. Google, a wonderful thing.
 :o
Title: Re: Watering Head for Bonsai
Post by: edro on April 11, 2012, 09:54 PM
Masakuni is the best I have used.

http://columbusbonsai.org/content/review-masakuni-watering-wand (http://columbusbonsai.org/content/review-masakuni-watering-wand)
Title: Re: Watering Head for Bonsai
Post by: Jason E on April 11, 2012, 11:12 PM
thanks for the link edro, looks pretty nice..
Title: Re: Watering Head for Bonsai
Post by: bwaynef on April 12, 2012, 09:42 AM
I highly recommend the "ColorStorm HandiWand", though it doesn't stand up to abuse/dropping very well.  It has the finest spray of any multi-pattern head I've found.

http://www.rainwand.com/colorstorm-acc.html (http://www.rainwand.com/colorstorm-acc.html)

I've also used the "10-11000 1000 Water Breaker" (N) but found that the flow of water necessary to create a fine spray tends to be too much water too fast for my needs.  A head w/ fewer holes would've sufficed nicely for me.  The spray is very soft/fine though.

http://www.rainwand.com/clamshell.html (http://www.rainwand.com/clamshell.html)
Title: Re: Watering Head for Bonsai
Post by: Yenling83 on April 12, 2012, 11:24 AM
Masakuni is the best I have used.

http://columbusbonsai.org/content/review-masakuni-watering-wand (http://columbusbonsai.org/content/review-masakuni-watering-wand)

I believe this is the one I have too and i really like it.  I'd like to try out that Water Breaker Dramm as well. 
If you want something with more features you can use

http://www.amazon.com/Gardena-Comfort-3-Pattern-Shower-Garden/dp/B002VED4MO/ref=sr_1_43?ie=UTF8&qid=1334244184&sr=8-43 (http://www.amazon.com/Gardena-Comfort-3-Pattern-Shower-Garden/dp/B002VED4MO/ref=sr_1_43?ie=UTF8&qid=1334244184&sr=8-43)

it's a canadian company that Boon recommended to me.  Works good too
Title: Re: Watering Head for Bonsai
Post by: Humunculus on April 12, 2012, 03:30 PM
I second the vote for Masakuni.  It is all brass construction and will last a long time.  Before I got my Masakuni, seemed like I was going through other heads every year or so. 
Title: Re: Watering Head for Bonsai
Post by: Dale Cochoy on April 12, 2012, 04:08 PM
NOTHING has a fine mist and range like the rose on the Masakuni. A bit more but outshines EVERYTHING else and the rose is replaceable. It is ALL in the rose, and nothing else can touch it. I use to have an old chinese 'copy' here to show the spray when I wanted to sell Masakunis. i clean the rose every now and then by soaking in vinager a while then brushing with an old toothbrush.
Title: Re: Watering Head for Bonsai
Post by: akeppler on April 12, 2012, 10:59 PM
I have had a Joshua Roth water head for about twenty years now. Works exactly like Masakuni for half the price. Brass tube, chrome plated pot metal on the end. Removable rose that can be cleaned like masakuni.

http://www.joshuaroth.com/5701/26801.html (http://www.joshuaroth.com/5701/26801.html)
Title: Re: Watering Head for Bonsai
Post by: Dale Cochoy on April 13, 2012, 11:00 AM
Sorry Al, not even close. they are half the price for a reason. It's not the wand or the makeup of the sprayer. It's the ROSE and nothing compares. The Chinese ones are exact duplicates except for the rose and thats where it ends. I ought to go take a pic of mine spraying. When folks see it it sells it. I don't sell them anymore so I have nothing to gain. I had one my teacher gave me used in about 1985, I used it until a couple years ago when while at a show in Florida my MIL ( who was watering trees for me) decided to soak it in a bucket of CLR rather than remove the rose and rinse the dirt out. She just put the end of the hose in the bucket for a day. Ate and ruined the sprayer solder joints and rose, the solid brass hose shutoff valve, and the brass threaded ends of my 100 ft. rubber Sears Craftsman hose!!  AAAYYYY!!!!
Luckily I had just bought two new ones  at the show from the Monastery to sell, soooooo, I sold one!  >:(
I hated throwing out that sprayer that was over 25 years old.
Title: Re: Watering Head for Bonsai
Post by: mcpesq817 on April 13, 2012, 11:43 AM
I've been using the Masakuni for a few years now and really love it.  Unfortunately, my daughter tried helping me with watering and dropped it a few times so it is now leaking from broken solder joints :(  I just ordered a Dramm water breaker, wand and shut off valve, and can report back on my experience with it once I've had a chance to use it a while.
Title: Re: Watering Head for Bonsai
Post by: Dale Cochoy on April 13, 2012, 01:26 PM
Masakuni
19 feet of fine spray mist

 ;D
Title: Re: Watering Head for Bonsai
Post by: akeppler on April 13, 2012, 08:06 PM
Masakuni
19 feet of fine spray mist

 ;D

Your kidding right? I only have to spray water about 3 feet to hit my trees. I suggest walking a few more feet and bring the water to the trees.

Here in town I have seen fire trucks spray a super fine mist nealy 85 feet. I'm just wondering what the point is about shooting water 19 feet?   
Title: Re: Watering Head for Bonsai
Post by: Dale Cochoy on April 14, 2012, 08:33 AM



 I'm just wondering what the point is about shooting water 19 feet?  
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Well, just to bug you of course Al!  ::)

Plus, I can water very close, or far, and not wash the soil off. The solid brass shut-off valve lets you control it nicely with your thumb only a few inches from plants....or, at 19 fet!

D.
Title: Re: Watering Head for Bonsai
Post by: Chrisl on April 14, 2012, 10:55 AM
Dale, does it have such a fine mist from say 3 ft'? 
Title: Re: Watering Head for Bonsai
Post by: Dale Cochoy on April 14, 2012, 07:26 PM
Dale, does it have such a fine mist from say 3 ft'? 

Yes Chris. It's really the whole point of the system. You can water close or far with a beautiful mist instead of having a heavy mist/stream from a bad rose that blows the soil off. Use these with a solid brass shutoff valve and you control it continually with your thumb. Get a solid brass one, don't waste money on plastic or 1/2 plastic.
Something along these lines. No plastic.
http://www.amazon.com/Dramm-12353-Heavy-Duty-Brass-Shut-Off/dp/B000HHQAQY/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1334445756&sr=8-1 (http://www.amazon.com/Dramm-12353-Heavy-Duty-Brass-Shut-Off/dp/B000HHQAQY/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1334445756&sr=8-1)

You know, I THOUGHT the Masakunis were expensive, until I saw the prices on the junky ones at Sears while looking for this shutoff pic!
Title: Re: Watering Head for Bonsai
Post by: PaulH on April 15, 2012, 10:24 AM
I too have been using a Masakuni nozzle for about twenty-five  years. It puts out the gentlest spray of any I've tried. The only problem is that the rose disk is kind of delicate if dropped, bumped or bitten by a crazy Border Collie but they're replaceable and I've been through several.
Paul
Title: Re: Watering Head for Bonsai
Post by: Dale Cochoy on April 16, 2012, 01:17 PM
I too have been using a Masakuni nozzle for about twenty-five  years. It puts out the gentlest spray of any I've tried. The only problem is that the rose disk is kind of delicate if dropped, bumped or bitten by a crazy Border Collie but they're replaceable and I've been through several.
Paul

Paul,
Yes they dent , especially if dropped. I caution my wife quite a bit about dropping it on the gravel walks when she is done.
But, MANY MANY times I've gotten dents out of it by using a plastic or wood rounded rod, like a hammer handle for instance, to smooth it from inside while I hold the rose in my hand.

Dale
Title: Re: Watering Head for Bonsai
Post by: Chrisl on April 16, 2012, 02:37 PM
Thanks Dale.  Glad it works at lower pressure too.  That's the one main complaint I have from a cheapy H. Depot wand.  Masakuni for under $40...not bad at all for quality.
Title: Re: Watering Head for Bonsai
Post by: edro on April 26, 2012, 08:04 PM

Picture showing comparison at low flow.


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Title: Re: Watering Head for Bonsai
Post by: oakandwalnut on May 04, 2012, 09:07 PM
Hey All,
I bought both the Dramm and the Masakuni. Both are good. I do prefer the Masakuni, as I can get a finer softer spray than I can with the Dramm, plus it looks better!  Thanks everyone!

Brad
Title: Re: Watering Head for Bonsai
Post by: Chrisl on May 05, 2012, 10:38 AM
I received the Masakuni watering head yesterday.  It's much better than my cheapo Home Depot one lol  I really like it, the spray is indeed nice and gentle and handles lower water pressure very well too.  Good purchase.
Title: Re: Watering Head for Bonsai
Post by: roberthu on May 14, 2012, 04:07 PM
I use the Lowe's ones and they are just fine....
I think it's really about adjusting the water pressure.
Title: Re: Watering Head for Bonsai
Post by: mcpesq817 on May 15, 2012, 09:34 AM
I've had my Dramm water breaker for a few weeks now, and really like it.  It took some getting used to over the Masakuni, because the Masakuni has a finer spray.  But, the Dramm seems to do the job a lot quicker, and my watering time has been cut by a third I would estimate.
Title: Re: Watering Head for Bonsai
Post by: Ron Dennis on May 15, 2012, 02:39 PM
Call me convinced!  Ordering the Masakuni now.  The major problem I have had is too high a pressure when watering in a hurry because of work schedule.    Should have known Masakuni had the answer!
Title: Re: Watering Head for Bonsai
Post by: Dave G on May 15, 2012, 08:09 PM
I've had my Dramm water breaker for a few weeks now, and really like it.  It took some getting used to over the Masakuni, because the Masakuni has a finer spray.  But, the Dramm seems to do the job a lot quicker, and my watering time has been cut by a third I would estimate.

I have a 30" dramm wand with the touch n flow trigger that I like a lot too, it makes watering a breeze
http://www.amazon.com/Dramm-12804-Touch-N-Flow-Premium-Watering/dp/B000PL1XSC/ref=pd_sim_lg_3 (http://www.amazon.com/Dramm-12804-Touch-N-Flow-Premium-Watering/dp/B000PL1XSC/ref=pd_sim_lg_3)

Title: Re: Watering Head for Bonsai
Post by: Chrisl on May 15, 2012, 11:39 PM
Call me convinced!  Ordering the Masakuni now.  The major problem I have had is too high a pressure when watering in a hurry because of work schedule.    Should have known Masakuni had the answer!

Dennis, buy the brass valve that Dale mentioned.  I bought both the Masakuni and that valve off Amazon.  Works really well controlling the pressure.  The two together is excellent.

And mcpesq817, I hear ya on time.  It does take longer using the Masakuni head, but fortunately I don't have many trees so it's not an issue for me.  But if I had many trees, I'd go with the Dramm too.
Title: Re: Watering Head for Bonsai
Post by: William N. Valavanis on May 16, 2012, 12:08 AM
I've been using the Masakuni watering nozzles for decades and love them. Tried the Chinese nozzles, but as discussed here, they are inferior because of the large hole sizes. The only problem with the Masakuni nozzle rose is that it dents very easily when dropped and it does get dropped quite a bit. When dented the small streams of water are concentrated in one area and disturbs the soil and moss.

BUT I just found a better nozzle than Masakuni, and it's made right here in the USA. In the past I tried the Dramm water breakers with their wands but the 400 holes in the nozzle is far too hard for the bonsai. They now have a new series with over 1,000 micro holes which is super! There are two models, the orange head has a wide spray and the green head concentrates the water flow to a narrower area, but with the same 1,000 micro holes. In one area of my garden the water pressure is not too high so the green nozzle with the narrow area works great. In other areas of my garden with more water pressure the wider orange nozzle is used.

AND I discovered that Dramm has a new Touch 'N Flow Pro water wand which has an excellent turn off built right in the wand! Works great and comes in two lengths, 16" and 30".

And I was not even looking for a new watering nozzle...
Title: Re: Watering Head for Bonsai
Post by: bwaynef on May 16, 2012, 08:39 AM
They now have a new series with over 1,000 micro holes which is super! There are two models, the orange head has a wide spray and the green head concentrates the water flow to a narrower area, but with the same 1,000 micro holes.

How are these different than the one I posted in the 3rd or 4th reply to this topic.  The one I linked to is red w/ over 1,000 holes.  I haven't seen the green or orange ones, but I'd be surprised if the orange one you describe is much different than the red one I've linked to.
Title: Re: Watering Head for Bonsai
Post by: mcpesq817 on May 16, 2012, 09:30 AM
I think I have the Dramm 400 hole aluminum head.  The water stream is a bit strong, and I might eventually try out one of the heads with more holes.  I didn't go with the 750 or 1000 hole heads because I think those were plastic, but given the quality of their products, I imagine the plastic is ok (I have an 18" wand, water breaker head and the brass shut off valve).

I did find that turning the water full blast, the spray actually came out finer through the breaker than turning the water on less than all the way.  A bit counterintuitive perhaps, but that's been my experience.
Title: Re: Watering Head for Bonsai
Post by: Jason E on May 16, 2012, 10:03 AM
MC, pick up the 1000 hole head, works better at lower pressure and disturbs soil less at high pressure.
 
Title: Re: Watering Head for Bonsai
Post by: mcpesq817 on May 16, 2012, 11:50 AM
MC, pick up the 1000 hole head, works better at lower pressure and disturbs soil less at high pressure.
 

Thanks for the tip.  It looks like they are on sale at Amazon so I'll try it out.
Title: Re: Watering Head for Bonsai
Post by: Dave G on May 16, 2012, 12:00 PM

Thanks for the tip.  It looks like they are on sale at Amazon so I'll try it out.

While your there you should check out the Dramm 22730 Touch N Flow Pro. I like it much better than the brass control
Title: Re: Watering Head for Bonsai
Post by: mcpesq817 on May 17, 2012, 09:17 AM

Thanks for the tip.  It looks like they are on sale at Amazon so I'll try it out.

While your there you should check out the Dramm 22730 Touch N Flow Pro. I like it much better than the brass control

Thanks, I'll have to check it out.  I have one of their shorter regular wands, but was thinking that a longer one might be more useful.
Title: Re: Watering Head for Bonsai
Post by: Dave G on May 17, 2012, 10:06 AM

Thanks, I'll have to check it out.  I have one of their shorter regular wands, but was thinking that a longer one might be more useful.

Yeah I bought the 36" Aluminum extension, it's lightweight and it definitely makes it easier reaching the pots on my bench, and it's great for watering just the base of the plants like my pines and tomatoes (etc) in the vegetable gardens

http://www.gemplers.com/hose-end-irrigation/dramm (http://www.gemplers.com/hose-end-irrigation/dramm)
Title: Re: Watering Head for Bonsai
Post by: mcpesq817 on May 23, 2012, 10:59 AM
So the 1000 hole watering head arrived yesterday and I tried it out.  It works very very well.  It puts out about as fine a spray as the masakuni, but watering time is much faster.  I would have preferred a metal construction body like the 400 hole series, but the plastic seems to be of pretty strong quality.  Thanks very much for the recommendation.

This is the model that I purchased in case others are interested:

http://www.amazon.com/Dramm-11000-1000PL-Plastic-Breaker/dp/B000HHSAR6/ref=sr_1_9?s=lawn-garden&ie=UTF8&qid=1337785062&sr=1-9 (http://www.amazon.com/Dramm-11000-1000PL-Plastic-Breaker/dp/B000HHSAR6/ref=sr_1_9?s=lawn-garden&ie=UTF8&qid=1337785062&sr=1-9)
Title: Re: Watering Head for Bonsai
Post by: Yenling83 on September 19, 2012, 11:21 AM
pretty inexpensive, i'm going to give this a try.