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shimsuki

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Unconventional planting thread
« on: March 22, 2015, 06:44 PM »
Hello Everyone,

There is an argument going on one of the facebook bonsai groups about a guy who planted a hemlock on a brake-disc. The argument was over whether it was a bonsai or not because it was planted in something other than a pot.

I commented that: "I agree that using unconventional potting methods is not traditional, but experimenting in a tasteful and sometimes even radical way is how art evolves. Arnold Schoenberg got bored with tonal music and created an atonal method of composition called twelve-tone serialism. William Turner, the British proto-modernist painter, paved the way for impressionist painting by creating paintings that, for the sake of brevity in explanation, were less clear and seemed "unfinished" to the audiences and critics of his time. Art evolves when artists push the limit and do something new. Will us as bonsai hobbyists change the future of bonsai? Probably not. However, people like Michael Hagedorn and Nick Lenz before him certainly make us think about how we plant our trees. It is definitely fun to have a few things on the bench that aren't necessarily traditional."

I'm not looking to start a thread arguing about whether a bonsai needs to be in a pot or not, but I am looking to see some people share some trees that they don't have in a traditional bonsai pot.

Any takers?
 

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Re: Unconventional planting thread
« Reply #1 on: March 22, 2015, 06:49 PM »
Since my dad and I don't necessarily have any unconventional pottings on our benches, I thought I would share two posts from our teacher Michael.

http://crataegus.com/2013/04/01/vine-maple-tower-experiment/

http://crataegus.com/2015/03/18/vine-maple-boot-styling/

(Both of the attached photos were taken from the links above and are not my own)

 

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Re: Unconventional planting thread
« Reply #2 on: March 22, 2015, 10:04 PM »
Definitely out of the box!  Really like the second tree and the fact that it looks a bit like a moose.
 

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Re: Unconventional planting thread
« Reply #3 on: March 23, 2015, 02:47 AM »
wow this guy takes spam to the next level....

can't fault him for doing something properly...can fault him for mucking up our forum though
 

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Re: Unconventional planting thread
« Reply #4 on: March 23, 2015, 03:01 AM »
I wonder how stupid you can be to think that anyone would actually look at the spam and rubbish that he puts out.

I will get removed and banned and all his posts removed and we carry on.

With regards to the original post.  It is really interesting to see how people can take something to a different level.

I think that ultimately it is your tree and what you do with it is up to you.

 

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Re: Unconventional planting thread
« Reply #5 on: March 23, 2015, 07:28 AM »
SPAM ???
I thought the sneakers were suggestions for Avant garde western style Bonsai containers. Nothing really expresses the state of western aesthetics like a bright, shiny new pair of Nike. Probably just a copy cat like so may others, just saw Michael planted a "boot' and thought hey "shoe" no one has done that before. Being different is where its at. No worries about better.
 

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Re: Unconventional planting thread
« Reply #6 on: March 23, 2015, 08:17 AM »
Anyone have some actual pictures to share? That is really why I made this thread.

Here is one of my favorite Nick Lenz trees! Its an American larch planted on a demon head, displayed with a Thuja deadwood accent.

(photos taken from http://lakeshorebonsai.com/?p=1739)

 

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Re: Unconventional planting thread
« Reply #8 on: March 23, 2015, 09:11 AM »
A tile from a roof being demolished in Florida:

 

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Re: Unconventional planting thread
« Reply #9 on: March 23, 2015, 12:43 PM »
I've got a few projects in the works.  All are in the "construction phase".  This will be a steel superstructure with a blown glass container to be made by TokenNYC.  Steel piece made by Ryan Guegler.

First pic is a mock up of the swamp rose in the container with the idea of the frame cut out of styro-board.

Next is the first rough out of the superstructure clamped together for revision.

I get to see the fused, warped, and blasted "stand" in a week or so.
 

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Re: Unconventional planting thread
« Reply #10 on: March 23, 2015, 12:44 PM »
Mock-up.  Bonsai means "plant in container" or "plant thrust into container" or "plant in shallow container".  It never specifies clay to my knowledge.  Hagedorn has some cool projects in the works.  Hopefully others will continue to push the limits.  The tricky part is that most people have day jobs and cannot devote as much time to their bonsai. 

Do you have any plans for novel plantings Shimsuki?  I'd like to see something more done with satsuki. 
« Last Edit: March 23, 2015, 12:48 PM by Owen Reich »
 

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Re: Unconventional planting thread
« Reply #11 on: March 23, 2015, 02:17 PM »
Do you have any plans for novel plantings Shimsuki?  I'd like to see something more done with satsuki.

Owen,

Not until I have a yard of my own in a few years. My dad and I like to keep our collection size on the smaller side while I am away at school, allowing us to better focus our efforts on fewer trees. However, when I have a yard of my own, I plan on doing quite a bit of experimenting. No plans worked out yet, just a few ideas on the back burner! Some of them involve satsuki!

Andrew
 

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Re: Unconventional planting thread
« Reply #12 on: March 24, 2015, 09:33 AM »
Shim,

Funny you mentioned a brake drum. A fellow club member has a very nice eastern red cedar in a brake drum. It is very well done. Actually you don't perceive it to be a drum. just an unusual container.

You use the term "pot." How about container? The brake drum is a container.

I want to see all the compositions. I like Hagedorn's more unusual plantings and look forward to seeing Owen's.

This brings up another point illustrated by Owen and Michael Hagedorn. These guys learned the classical art before they started doing unconventional things. There's a saying, "learn the rules well so that you can break them properly."

All good whether traditional or avant garde, all good whether someone likes it or not.

My comments are free and worth every cent.

Best regards,

Augustine
 

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Re: Unconventional planting thread
« Reply #13 on: April 19, 2015, 08:58 AM »
Progress on the steel sculpture.  Final bends to compress overall size and increase the warpage happening now.  Then on to sand-blasting.

The creator wants to powder coat the whole thing grey or beige.  I'm into burning it erratically with a plasma torch then letting it rust a little.  What does everyone think?  The glass container will be blown glass that will look patinated (likely beige-white).



 

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Re: Unconventional planting thread
« Reply #14 on: April 20, 2015, 03:00 AM »
I actually think that both can work depending on what tree will be on there.

But I like the idea of burning and rusting more though.

Keep us updated on what the final decision was