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General Category => General Bonsai Discussion => Topic started by: DorianJF on December 09, 2014, 07:00 AM

Title: Trident Maple Forest - Acer buergerianum
Post by: DorianJF on December 09, 2014, 07:00 AM
Hi

I bought this Trident Maple Forest in 2007 from a Bonsai nursery. 

In 2008, I decided to add a few rocks to the bonsai to make it look like more of a landscape and with fooling around I believe I added some character to the whole display. 

Eventually this year I got to re-potting it and I placed it into a new pot.  This new pot is only temporary whilst I find a new penjing pot and new rocks so that I can try to do a penjing landscape with the forest.

On the 6th of November 2014, I did a partial defoliation of the upper canopy to try and get the lower branches to strengthen up and to try and get the new leaf growth to be smaller than before.

Now I read up about the defoliation and they say you can do it more than once in the growing season.  My question is how long do you wait between defoliation periods.  By the look of the tree now, I think I could probably do it now again.

Your thoughts?

Pic 1 - March 2014
Pic 2 - Partial Defoliation on 6 Nov 14
Pic 3 - Picture taken 9 Dec 14
Pic 4 - Upper canopy - 9 Dec 14

Title: Re: Trident Maple Forest - Acer buergerianum
Post by: JoesBonsai on December 09, 2014, 08:16 AM
Hi Dorian,

Very nice forest ;D ;D
I only defoliate mine once a year ;) what I normally do is after spring once the tree is covered with foliage I defoliate
You could  defoliate ,but the weather has been crappy in JHB lately maybe wait a bit till it really warms up.
Title: Re: Trident Maple Forest - Acer buergerianum
Post by: DorianJF on December 09, 2014, 09:31 AM
Thanks Joe.

Yeah, struggling to understand the weather this year round.  Either really hot or really wet. 
Title: Re: Trident Maple Forest - Acer buergerianum
Post by: Sorce on December 09, 2014, 10:56 AM
I really like the groupings on this.

Peter tea as a lot of Good trident info on his blog.

And I have seen recently on 2 other forums, a southern hemisphere calender from Australia.
Might help you fellers out.

Sorce
Title: Re: Trident Maple Forest - Acer buergerianum
Post by: DorianJF on December 09, 2014, 11:07 AM
Thanks Sorce. Definitely one of my favourites this forest. I have a definite goal in mind for this but like I said, first a nice penjing tray and some rocks and then I will put that together.

There is a forum called Aus bonsai that I have been wanting to join but I have been putting it off. Maybe I should have a look. I will also look at peter's blog.

Thanks once again
Title: Re: Trident Maple Forest - Acer buergerianum
Post by: J.Kent on December 10, 2014, 10:10 AM
Nice grouping, but you need a "main" tree, and a couple of secondary trees.  This is too even aged.  I'd suggest removing 3 trees and planting them out somewhere and letting them grow for a year (at least) then redoing.
Title: Re: Trident Maple Forest - Acer buergerianum
Post by: DorianJF on December 10, 2014, 12:27 PM
Thanks J.

Very valid point and will definitively look at doing something like that.
Title: Re: Trident Maple Forest - Acer buergerianum
Post by: Zach Smith on December 10, 2014, 08:25 PM
I don't think the relative tree sizes is the problem here.  If you'd move the group to a much shallower tray I think you'll find the forest takes on a very different (and much more believable) character.

For what it's worth.

Zach
Title: Re: Trident Maple Forest - Acer buergerianum
Post by: DorianJF on December 10, 2014, 11:34 PM
Thanks Zach. Definitely need to find a decent penjing pot for this. Before the repot it had way more character to it.
Title: Re: Trident Maple Forest - Acer buergerianum
Post by: Sorce on December 11, 2014, 05:37 AM
Thank you Zach. This is a great point.
The scalloped edges give it a definitive "end" also that keeps it less believable.

I agree you could use a few bigger trees, but you should be able to accomplish it as they stand, in the pot.

I'd Like to see the type of pot you are considering.

Sorce

Title: Re: Trident Maple Forest - Acer buergerianum
Post by: DorianJF on December 11, 2014, 06:05 AM
Hi Sorce

I am going away on holiday shortly for 2 weeks and the place that I am going to has a great bonsai nursery and quite a few mountainous areas.  So the plan is to get the penjing pots (Pic 1) and then go walking though the mountains looking for rocks that will suit my idea of the penjing.

Ultimately I want to achieve something like Pic 2 (Picture credit to The Art of Bonsai project)

Should that not work then I will be looking for a something like pics 3 to achieve pic 4 (Picture credit to the Bonsai learning center)

Hopefully that starts to explain my thoughts for what I would like to achieve with this forest
Title: Re: Trident Maple Forest - Acer buergerianum
Post by: Zach Smith on December 11, 2014, 07:16 AM
Those are great pics showing what your forest is going to look like.  Amazing what the right pot can do.

Keep us posted when you make the change.

Zach