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DorianJF

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Re: Tree identification
« Reply #45 on: May 05, 2015, 12:58 PM »
Thanks Leo

I have been reading into Elaeagnus bonsai (Not much was found) but all say hard prune in winter.  So I am thinking of doing a hard prune on the 2 right hand branches and getting them to bud out at the level of the front right trunk.

I will definitely try to get the cuttings to take so watch this space
 

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Re: Tree identification
« Reply #46 on: July 13, 2015, 08:26 AM »
So it is mid July (Mid Winter) and I think it is time to look at doing a severe cutback to start working on my future vision for the tree.

It has grown very well over the last few months and it is very healthy.  Luckily our winter so far has been very mild with almost no frost.

I unwrapped the bent branch and that is going to be shortened and a Jin created.

After the cut back and hopefully with the spring growth, wire it so that the canopy fills out nicely.

Pic 1 - Current View
Pic 2 - Cut lines
Pic 3 - Unwrapped bent branch for Jin
Pic 4 - Future vision

Thoughts?

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Re: Tree identification
« Reply #47 on: July 15, 2015, 04:10 AM »
So I took the plunge and cut.   :o

I also did a Jin on the bent branch.

Hopefully come spring I will get loads of new growth on the hard wood.  One promising aspect is that there is a new bud formed on the one branch so hopefully more to come.

In spring, I will need to also give it a re-pot and then in a year or two look at a much shallower pot for it to be in.

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Re: Tree identification
« Reply #48 on: July 15, 2015, 10:23 AM »
Not too crazy about the jin, maybe it's the unicorn horn shape it has, does not look like something nature would do.  I also think you don't need it. 
I like the potential the tree has now, I agree it is much better, and on it's way. Good job.
 

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Re: Tree identification
« Reply #49 on: July 15, 2015, 10:26 AM »
hello Guys :)

maybe cut the jin kazama off and hollow it out? might work/might not...

best regards
Herman
 

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Re: Tree identification
« Reply #50 on: July 15, 2015, 10:37 AM »
Thanks Guys for the feedback

Looking at the Jin now I am also not very happy with it.  The thought was to let it dry and then shape it but I think I cut it too short to do that

Herman - Kazama off? 

Hollowing it out and then growing closed could work too.

 

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Re: Tree identification
« Reply #51 on: July 15, 2015, 11:01 AM »
reference to jin kazama of tekken tag :?

hahahaha

should read cut the jin off
 

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Re: Tree identification
« Reply #52 on: July 16, 2015, 02:26 AM »
LMAO

I googled it and kept on coming up with Tekken but thought I must be wrong.

I was eventually googling Jin Kazama Bonsai but no success either.

 ;D ;D ;D
 

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Re: Tree identification
« Reply #53 on: September 04, 2015, 08:31 AM »
After taking the tree to our monthly bonsai meeting mid August, the decision was made to do some more work on it to get the styling right.

Firstly I re-potted the tree as it desperately needed one.  

Afterwards the group consensus was to cut off the one branch (Moving closer to Sorce's original view) and to get rid of the Jin (Thanks Judy)

The branch and the Jin were cut and rounded off and sealed with some cut paste.

The tree is very healthy and shooting loads of new buds all over the place.  Still no new buds on the remaining branch on the right but there is one breaking on the left hand branch lower down.

Looking at the tree from the front now, I am starting to think that Sorce and Owen were right from the beginning to get rid of all the long branches and just work with the one with the canopy.  By looking at the right hand side branch, if I get buds growing there the branch is very much thicker then the left hand side one.  It will take years if ever to get the left hand side to thicken up considerably to not look totally out of place.

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Re: Tree identification
« Reply #54 on: September 04, 2015, 09:58 AM »
Just out of curiousity, what pushed you away from the virt from February 4th?

Don't see the canopy supporting the complexity of that base on the remaining short trunk.
 

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Re: Tree identification
« Reply #55 on: September 07, 2015, 06:54 AM »
Just out of curiousity, what pushed you away from the virt from February 4th?
Owen, I just kept on looking at the 2 long branches and seeing well....  2 long branches.  When I did the virt, it was pleasing to my eye but the more I looked at it, the more I did not like the fairly straight branches.

The other feeling that I had, was currently the only growing branch was so much thinner then the other 2 and my worry set in that if both of the branches started to bud, they would thicken up even more and it would take the current canopy branch so much longer to thicken up and match.

I must be honest that this tree is probably the only tree that I have what is really giving me so many different visions, ideas, thoughts, 2nd guessing myself etc. and I fear that I keep on making the wrong choice on it.

I know that in the back of my mind, I know that this tree is really a vigorous grower and I think that is what swayed me to rather cut it back and regrow.  Right now I believe you are absolutely right about the canopy not being supported by the base,
but I do believe that I would be able to grow it out so that it could work.

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Re: Tree identification
« Reply #56 on: September 07, 2015, 11:02 PM »
It's certainly possible with time.  My feeling is the old virt fit your environmental influences (or at least my conception of what you might see there).  This design has a couple of trajectories and you picked one.  Nothing wrong with that.  Good material presents you with options.
 

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Re: Tree identification
« Reply #57 on: September 08, 2015, 09:16 AM »
Thanks so much Owen

I will definitely keep the thread going as the tree grows.
 

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Re: Tree identification
« Reply #58 on: February 15, 2016, 05:13 AM »
So it has been a good 5 months since I lasted posted on this tree.

After cutting off the 2 long branches, I have basically left the Silverberry to its own devices. 

The tiny bud at the base of the branch was left to grow and when it got to a suitable length, I wired some movement into the branch and left it to continue to grow.

Pic 1 - 3 - October 2015
 

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Re: Tree identification
« Reply #59 on: February 15, 2016, 05:21 AM »
After wiring the branch I left the tree to grow uninterrupted till now.

The sole reason for this was to assist with the thickening up of the lower branch.