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Sorce

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Re: Tree identification
« Reply #15 on: December 04, 2014, 02:39 PM »
S for........?
 

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Re: Tree identification
« Reply #16 on: December 04, 2014, 02:56 PM »
Sorce Said So   ;D
 

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Re: Tree identification
« Reply #17 on: December 04, 2014, 11:45 PM »
Sorce's idea is not a bad one; it may take 10 years.  I don't normally weigh in on styling opinions, but I think you could do without the straight trunk on the left completely.  If you do keep it, I would highly recommend using a trunk splitter for Eleaegnus pungens .  Split trunk in middle (say 10cm) parallel to bend in the center axis of the trunk.  Don't separate the halves.  Just make a sequence of cuts.  In this case the cuts would be essentially vertical.  Raffia the whole trunk from base to branches and apply two to three large wires at a 45 degree angle.  I would not recommend splitting the trunk more than in 2-3 separate locations along the length of the trunk.

The big Eleaegenus in the article Bill V mentioned had about 10 of the heavy branches split long before I worked on it.  

Sharp Crack sound = Warning shot across the bow.  
Dull Crunch after Sharp Crack = Potential Death

There is a flower in the photo you posted in you ID request photos (pic #3).  Four petals often emerging under the foliage.
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Re: Tree identification
« Reply #18 on: December 05, 2014, 12:39 AM »
Sorce - That really works for me the image that you put down.  Thanks for the input.

Owen - Please feel free to weigh in even more with styling advice.  I appreciate all the information given.  So if I understand what you are saying correctly, I have marked the areas in yellow where I should look at using a branch splitter. May I ask why I would make the cuts with the branch splitter - Will this assist with the bend?

Pic 1 is from the front
Pic 2 is from the top

With regards to the flower, all I can say is that I must be blind.  Thanks for pointing that out Owen.  I must of looked at the image hundreds of times and never seen that.


Sharp Crack sound = Warning shot across the bow. 
Dull Crunch after Sharp Crack = Potential Death

So maybe try this bend and if I hear a Dull Crunch after Sharp Crack, then cut the branch off which is also one of the suggestions?
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Re: Tree identification
« Reply #19 on: December 05, 2014, 03:54 AM »
Sorce Said So   ;D
That too!
I was thinking Siberian Husky!  ..lol

Silverberry!

I would love to sit and look into the" cave " of roots under that first new left branch!
The mudman. Must have went in there!

Thanks Owen. I would love to hear more of your styling advice too! Its awesome that you participate here!

Dorian,
You may as well have at that bending, I didn't think it would be possible. If you break the left branch, the right does have something to offer too. A flat top of sorts.

What the hell is hiding under that always different rock? 8)

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Re: Tree identification
« Reply #20 on: December 05, 2014, 04:49 AM »
Sorce Said So   ;D
I would love to sit and look into the" cave " of roots under that first new left branch!
The mudman. Must have went in there!

Thanks Owen. I would love to hear more of your styling advice too! Its awesome that you participate here!

What the hell is hiding under that always different rock? 8)

Sorce


It definitely is a beautiful root mass.  Loads hiding away in the "cave"  LOL

Definitely agree that Owen participates.  A definite wealth of knowledge.

The Rock?  My son gets hold of it and then moves it around or plays with it and I am forever putting it back. 
 

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Re: Tree identification
« Reply #21 on: December 05, 2014, 09:35 AM »
Lol. My son pulls weeds and does anything I do! Including pulling leaves, and the weeds sometimes are seedlings!

What is the purpose of the rock though? Is it hiding something? Or do the odd roots look odder without it? Unstable?

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Re: Tree identification
« Reply #22 on: December 05, 2014, 11:30 PM »
The points that you marked on the overhead shot would work.  Splitting the branch/trunk will allow it to bend more easily.  Where you cut will depend on where you want to bend and how much you want to bend it.  Ready to come to South Africa any time  ;D.  As I said before, I would just remove the left trunk completely.  Try the technique and make your bends.  If it dies after a few months, cut it off.  I think you'll be able to put some movement into it, but it's unlikely that it will become a single cohesive design. 
Happy Bending.   

I provide in person instruction / styling work / presentations / etc that I am paid for, so I try to be as helpful as I can within reason.  I support this forum because I like the purity of intent and lack of drama.  It would be nice if the post count was higher.
 

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Re: Tree identification
« Reply #23 on: December 06, 2014, 01:22 AM »
Hi Sorce

I have 2 sons, 9yrs and one that turns 2 shortly. The baby loves to fiddle around with the trees so it is a constant battle to keep him away.  Yes, leaves pulled off and plants pulled out.   ;D

No purpose for the rock and it doesn't hide anything.  It is just a rock that I had, so I put it behind the roots.  I have put a picture of the roots from behind for you to see.

Owen
The points that you marked on the overhead shot would work.  Splitting the branch/trunk will allow it to bend more easily.  Where you cut will depend on where you want to bend and how much you want to bend it.  Ready to come to South Africa any time  ;D.  As I said before, I would just remove the left trunk completely.  Try the technique and make your bends.  If it dies after a few months, cut it off.  I think you'll be able to put some movement into it, but it's unlikely that it will become a single cohesive design.  
Happy Bending.  

I provide in person instruction / styling work / presentations / etc that I am paid for, so I try to be as helpful as I can within reason.  I support this forum because I like the purity of intent and lack of drama.  It would be nice if the post count was higher.

Would love to see you in SA.  Hopefully sometime in the near future.  Going to try the bend as that will also give me some experience with trying something out and seeing the result.  Ultimately if it doesn't work, then I would of cut the branch off anyway and not much lost except some time.

Really appreciate the input and it is understandable your position.  Ultimately Bonsai is your career where as its my hobby.  But none the less, always appreciated.  I too would love to see more posts on here but there will still be loads from me.  I have quite a few trees, that I would like an opinion on.
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Re: Tree identification
« Reply #24 on: December 06, 2014, 04:48 AM »
Ok. Sorry to pester you about it.

Looks to be a ton of latent buds down there.!

I think you should get with Herman and Joe and seriously consider getting Owen out to S.A.!

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Re: Tree identification
« Reply #25 on: December 07, 2014, 01:40 AM »
Definitely not pestering Sorce

I think it is a good idea to get Owen out here.   ;)
 

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Re: Tree identification
« Reply #26 on: December 07, 2014, 06:00 AM »
I couldn't imagine it to be anything but an educational good time.!

Looking forward to the next tree!

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Re: Tree identification
« Reply #27 on: December 07, 2014, 07:24 AM »
New one tomorrow Sorce. A South African species that I got today from my dad. Just have to repot and tidy up and then hoping someone knows how to prune and shape.
 

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Re: Tree identification
« Reply #28 on: December 08, 2014, 12:09 AM »
The Silverberry is budding like crazy.
 

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Re: Tree identification
« Reply #29 on: January 12, 2015, 01:25 PM »
Well the Silverberry is full of leaves again and doing well.  I am still no closer to cutting off or trying to bend the branchs but I think I must anyway wait till spring before trying that.

But that brings me to wonder.

Can one Airlayer a Silverberry.  Instead of cutting off the branches to get the desired shape, Air layer it and then make an additional 3 trees?

Thoughts on this?

Maybe Owen can help?

The pic shows where suggested airlayers could be?