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Kajukid
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« on: September 13, 2011, 05:21 PM »

has anyone used this stuff? i was reading something that said not to use SUPERthrive on pines, is this true? how do i use it? and does it really work? i've been thinking about getting some...if it works...thanks
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« Reply #1 on: September 13, 2011, 07:33 PM »

There are far better ways to spend money.
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« Reply #2 on: September 13, 2011, 11:19 PM »

I like to use it for collected trees and foliar feeding.  Pretty sure it's a bunch of B-vitamins, sea kelp, and some growth hormones.  I use it for misting of cuttings for a week or two after sticking too.  It is not an essential for bonsai culture by any means, but I like to use it to decrease shock to repotted and collected stuff.  People love it or hate it and there is nothing wrong with that. 
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« Reply #3 on: September 14, 2011, 03:00 PM »

From all the folks I've talked to and read in the forums, SuperThrive and HB-101 have a very similar following and similar claims of working magic in plants: some folks swear by it, some folks think it's snake oil. When used according to the instructions (or even more diluted to be safe) I don't think they'll do any harm to anything other than one's pocketbook.

I've also misted cuttings and transplants with a little bit of HB-101, but I wasn't nearly scientific enough to say yes or no to its efficacy. As you can imagine with a tray full of different species of cuttings, some made it and some didn't with however I was caring for them. Haven't seen much difference with my second tray full of cuttings and no additives: some made it, some didn't.
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« Reply #4 on: September 14, 2011, 04:30 PM »

Waste of money--even for collected trees. Money and time is better spent on attention to what the tree actually needs (adequate soil, proper watering, etc.) than on something that has no identifiable benefits and is sold on long-unproven claims. When a product doesn't list its ingredients (and has refused to do so for decades), it's MIGHT be a sign that it's not really all it claims to be...

I used to use it a long while back. Spent $30 once on a large quart-sized container of it. I found that as I gained experience with the trees, that many of the benefits I had attributed to this stuff was actually ME getting a better handle on care....
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« Reply #5 on: September 20, 2011, 12:40 AM »

From what I have noticed on my trees and experiments with cuttings, etc, Both HB101 and superthrive works. Especialy HB101 (both are different from each other and neither is a fertilzer). You can buy b vitamins for plants for less $ and it would probably be the same as superthrive. There used to be a rumor that the superthrive killed the michorrhiza (excuse my spelling)in the soil and thats why it was bad for pines, but it has no negative effect on soil fungus.
 Al Nelson who is a very good and experienced Bonsai artist in So. California, told me that before Hb101 came out, He had a hard time keeping collected scrub oaks alive. He is known for his beautiful collected oaks.
 I took some rose flowers I cut off a bush in my yard. They were in the same little group so they were at the same stage of developement. 1 flower went into a plain cup of water, 1 went into a cup of H2o with a drop of superthrive, 1 into a cup with H2o and a drop HB101, and 1 into a cup with water and both HB101 and superthive. I put them all side by side and the flower in just water withered in a couple days. The one in superthrive lated about 48hrs longer. The HB101 lasted about a day more than that and the rose in the cup with both lasted 2 days longer!
 Im a skeptical person when it comes to stuff like that, but I believe they work and use them in conjunction. My local HB101 distributer is not bringing it in anymore from Japan, if anybody knows where I can get some, please let me know. Thanks
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« Reply #6 on: September 20, 2011, 09:07 AM »

As you see, ask 10 bonsaiists about Superthrive and you'll get 11 opinions!

Something to keep in mind is that Superthrive doesn't work alone: it works in conjunction with your watering practices, your soil, your fertilizing, the species of the tree, climate, and other factors too.

For me, Superthrive doesn't seem to make much difference either way, but Elliott believes it does his trees good. If his cultural practices were exactly the same as mine, we'd probably report similar results.

Maybe you want to test it for a year or two, then make a decision based on what you see in your situation.
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