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Yenling83

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Stainless vs Non Stainless & Kaneshin
« on: March 08, 2012, 12:40 PM »
1. What is your opinion on Stainless vs. Non Stainless Steel Tools?  Are there any other advantages besides being rust resistance?  Do you think Stainless become dull faster?  

2. Anyone have experience with Kaneshin Tools?
I purchased a large root Kaneshin cutter and it seems to be really nice quality.  The ebay member  kei1974819 sells them.  

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Re: Stainless vs Non Stainless & Kaneshin
« Reply #1 on: March 08, 2012, 12:42 PM »
Since I started this journey in the fall of 2008 all my tools are stainless. I really like them.

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Re: Stainless vs Non Stainless & Kaneshin
« Reply #2 on: March 08, 2012, 02:04 PM »
I've started to replace my tools piece by piece with Kaneshin, but I've always used black never stainless. I always make a point to give them a good inspection and keep general care to prevent rusting-I hate paying stainless prices.
 

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Re: Stainless vs Non Stainless & Kaneshin
« Reply #3 on: March 08, 2012, 04:15 PM »
I've started to replace my tools piece by piece with Kaneshin, but I've always used black never stainless. I always make a point to give them a good inspection and keep general care to prevent rusting-I hate paying stainless prices.
Cool they seem like very good tools for the price.  I have some Masakuni as well and the quality seems to be close, with Masakuni maybe just a bit better-or maybe not.  Did you purchase from the ebay seller I mentioned above?  I have the black as well, however I was thinking of experimenting and purchasing a stainless knob cutter. 
 

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Re: Stainless vs Non Stainless & Kaneshin
« Reply #4 on: March 08, 2012, 04:43 PM »
To be honest, I don't recollect the seller. It's a small spherical cutter (150mm) for under $50. As far as I know there's no retailer in the U.S., so I guess ebay's the only option. Kaneshin has a really nice, informative website, but it's too rich for my blood to pay the costs of shipping from Japan.
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Re: Stainless vs Non Stainless & Kaneshin
« Reply #5 on: March 08, 2012, 05:52 PM »
I have nothing to add to this conversation, just wanted to say thanks for the heads up on the ebay seller.  Browsed and saved.  :)
 

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Re: Stainless vs Non Stainless & Kaneshin
« Reply #6 on: March 08, 2012, 09:01 PM »
Kei is a quality seller, I have picked up a bunch of interesting pots and have had a great experience. Fast shipping, fair and good stuff.
 

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Re: Stainless vs Non Stainless & Kaneshin
« Reply #7 on: March 08, 2012, 10:51 PM »
I contemplated a major tool evaulation of a number of Japanese tool brands, types, and quality levels, but after laying out the trial I decided it wouldn't really prove a point; considering most Japanese tools are priced well in line with their quality (expensive generally means better).  Also the number of variables was very high and to an extent subjective.  Anyway, IMO and that of my teacher most Kaneshin tools fall into the middle quality range considering feel and reliability.  Seems like most tools fall into the middle range really.  Just sold two 8-piece Kaneshin sets yesterday actually  :).  Masakuni tools are works of art and handmade.  From the little I've used them, the precision tools are amazing while the heavier ones seem comparable to others.  If you work all day on bonsai, their balance and light weight is very nice.  We are working on shooting a video for Masakuni-San at some point on the 90 year history of his company.  Their tools are damned expensive and my only Masakuni tools were gifts.  He said he would give me a full custom sized tool set for a barrel of Jack Daniels  ;D
 

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Re: Stainless vs Non Stainless & Kaneshin
« Reply #8 on: March 08, 2012, 11:06 PM »
Stainless vs regular is a difficult question.  One reason stainless costs more is the process to make them.  I use stainless for jobs where tools will get wet like cutting roots during repotting.  It seems like regular steel wire cutters cut aluminum better but this is my opinion.  I've really messed up a set of stainless steel Jin pliers doing deadwood work.  I've done similar work with regular steel Jin pliers and they were fine.  I have a set of both types at home and tend to use my stainless more.  In Japan, I use the one that doesn't require me to reach as far  :D.

I would like to hear others opinions on this as well. 
 

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Re: Stainless vs Non Stainless & Kaneshin
« Reply #9 on: March 09, 2012, 10:20 AM »
Owen, thanks for your awesome reply, always enjoy getting your feedback.  I never thought about using stainless for tasks where tools are more likely going to get wet, but it totally makes sense and I'm glad you mentioned it.  I think I might like having a set of stainless root shears to start with.         
 

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Re: Stainless vs Non Stainless & Kaneshin
« Reply #10 on: March 09, 2012, 07:23 PM »
Hi
 I use allot of Joshua Roth, but I also use masakuni. If I had my choice and the $, I would use masakuni only. Specifically the stainless steel COATED tools. They are the best of both worlds. They cost less than pure stainless, (and more than the regular black)but keep their edge like the black tools plus they don't rust like the black tools. So, stainless coated gives you, sharp long lasting edge, intermediate cost and rust resistance. I don't know of any other brands that have stainless coated, but they are probably out there.
 I have noticed that old masakuni tools from 20 years ago work as good as new ones or even better.
All I know, is I love buying tools and Nathan and I have been ordered by our teacher to stop buying more tools. Neither one of us is listening LOL! ;)
 

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Re: Stainless vs Non Stainless & Kaneshin
« Reply #11 on: March 10, 2012, 12:12 AM »
I have to agree about the old Masakuni.  Mine are well over 20 years old, and no rust.