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Re: soil recipes
« Reply #45 on: January 29, 2012, 04:01 PM »
Kostas,
so your trees dry out in the wind, have you thought of covering the soil with a mulch or with sphagnum moss, or better yet build a shade/wind screen to help or let you trees sit in water(below the bottom of the pot)? The mix you are using is interesting, do you have any highly refined trees in it? Athens has nothing on Arizona, the desert of Southern California or Nevada and folks use Akadama mixes  there- but who knows.
 

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Re: soil recipes
« Reply #46 on: January 29, 2012, 07:22 PM »
I don't use sphagnum moss because i have problem
 with birds but i use pumice and lava 2mm on top with my recipe at summer and ihave shade/wind screen but when i buy a tree with akadama soil i repot it because it do sent work.  with second tho wt maybe  i build a greenhouse to use akadama.(the best soil its from deserts)
 

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Re: soil recipes
« Reply #47 on: January 29, 2012, 10:46 PM »
 sumthin else you ask me. if i have highly refined trees ?highly refined trees goes with akadama soil  together.Here  in Greece bonsai Hobey dos not exist (exept akadama is in stok many years now),even lime soulfour i fix it in my one so Idont have. i I'm very  yang to have an old tree infuct my favorite tree is only 3year old  (For you maybe its a joke).and the resent is that this tree learn me to do brunch Shari  with out any tool (not even a pro bonsai yet). that i want to tell is that bonsai is the real language of the tree,if you want a bonsai you must speak the language but to  learn properly its a project  of a life time.
 i want to ask you  something If akadama and fertilize is  vanish this means we can not have bonsai or highly refined trees with nice growth.


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Re: soil recipes
« Reply #48 on: January 30, 2012, 08:23 AM »
My questions was more to the fact that soil type and structure is important for developing highly refined trees, doesn't have to be akadama at all. Walter Pall in Germany uses Baked Loam, I am not sure precisely what that is other than it seems to have the same kind of attributes that makes up a good bonsai soil mix. Good water retention, rapidly draining, relatively uniform particle size and resistant to decomposition.

On your other point, one way that I keep birds from stealing sphagnum moss is to cover it with window screen. Cut a square that is slightly larger than the pot, make a cut in it to slide around the trunk and then tie the screen around the pot using wire or string. Keeps the moss in place and really helps with water loss.
 

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Re: soil recipes
« Reply #49 on: January 30, 2012, 11:47 AM »
Sorry i misunderstood you. about  Good water retention, rapidly draining, relatively uniform particle size and resistant to decomposition i want to do an experiment about how different tempters of water in the ground play a role in that. IL take the same pot with the same soil in the same place for a wear water regularly and i water the first with water 15c and the Arther with 25c I want to see what happened. If the water is 10c defrend in a pot. Thanks for the advise with the birds. For  the uniform particle size and resistant i.believe that pH must defind the particle size of the soil because is the door for the nutrients that the tree takes.


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Re: soil recipes
« Reply #50 on: January 30, 2012, 01:55 PM »
Sorry i misunderstood you. about Good water retention, rapidly draining, relatively uniform particle size and resistant to decomposition i want to do an experiment about how different tempters of water in the ground play a role in that. IL take the same pot with the same soil in the same place for a wear water regularly and i water the first with water 15c and the Arther with 25c I want to see what happened. If the water is 10c defrend in a pot. Thanks for the advise with the birds. For the uniform particle size and resistant i.believe that pH must defind the particle size of the soil because is the door for the nutrients that the tree takes.
For uniform particle size and resistant i.believe that pH must defind the particle size of the  ingredients of the soil mix because is the door for the nutrients that the tree takes.(powerful root system)and the Generating
That determinate soil resistans with the degree of oxidation that metals  have inside. sorry problems with the language.




 

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Re: soil recipes
« Reply #51 on: January 31, 2012, 10:22 AM »
My questions was more to the fact that soil type and structure is important for developing highly refined trees, doesn't have to be akadama at all. Walter Pall in Germany uses Baked Loam, I am not sure precisely what that is other than it seems to have the same kind of attributes that makes up a good bonsai soil mix. Good water retention, rapidly draining, relatively uniform particle size and resistant to decomposition.

On your other point, one way that I keep birds from stealing sphagnum moss is to cover it with window screen. Cut a square that is slightly larger than the pot, make a cut in it to slide around the trunk and then tie the screen around the pot using wire or string. Keeps the moss in place and really helps with water loss.
I cant expres my self  like i do so maybe that i want to say, is not exactly that i have rote above.  This caint of soil  for Greece i think works better. its no so hard like akadama it have good water retention
And is rapidly draining.about resistant to decomposition is medium but you can change easily  pH.and i thing the particle size must be like the picture from the small to the large
 

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Re: soil recipes
« Reply #52 on: February 01, 2012, 06:37 PM »
Um, no, uniformity of particle size is important, not absolute but close.