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John Kirby

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Re: soil recipes
« Reply #30 on: January 27, 2012, 05:32 PM »
Chrisi, try www.weetree.com.
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Re: soil recipes
« Reply #31 on: January 28, 2012, 12:21 AM »
Cool website John, Thanks.  I'll check into getting at least enough for a few trees and compare them to my readily available Turface.  Shipping is a killer ;)
 

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Re: soil recipes
« Reply #32 on: January 28, 2012, 07:52 AM »
Tell me, I just ordered two and a half pallets worth of material. Beats driving out to get it though, I have done that several times. Also, Cass Bonsai in Edwardsville Illinois (cassbonsai.com) sells Clay King premixed Bonsai soil (good stuff), if you ever feel like driving down towards St Louis on a weekend.
 

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Re: soil recipes
« Reply #33 on: January 28, 2012, 11:03 AM »
Wow, I don't even want to imagine the cost of that John! lol  And since I bought quite a few trees last year I feel like I'm going to need pallets of the stuff too ;)  But John, I saw that Weetrees only sells regular Akadama, any reason you and/or Boon don't use the double line or high fired Akadama?  Just wondering.
 

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Re: soil recipes
« Reply #34 on: January 28, 2012, 11:21 AM »
They sell double line, I have purchased the double line high fired "hard" akadama in the past, didn't really see any advantages- but that may change in my new location.
 

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Re: soil recipes
« Reply #35 on: January 28, 2012, 12:36 PM »
Oh, so not a big difference in breakdown rate?  I thought that was the main advantage.  I'd think esp. important for conifers that don't need to be repotted very often.
 

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Re: soil recipes
« Reply #36 on: January 28, 2012, 02:41 PM »
What I have read, and I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong, is that there are softer types of akadama that break down faster than others in a climate where there are freezing temps.  I don't think that places with mild climates have problems with this breaking down.

But I have heard of it turning to mush in cold zones, which is one reason (among others,- sourcing, and price being the others) I haven't yet tried it.  I have had a commercial mix that was partial akadama, and some of my trees have had it in the mix when I've received them, but I've never made a full switch.  I am considering changing some of my trees over to something with a larger particle size, as currently I'm mostly in turface. I hear good things about haydite, but don't know where to source that either.

I think that soil is more regionally effected than is generally thought of.  It seems to me that localized environments have so much to do with what the trees need in a soil, and these are highly changeable across the country.  What works for Southern Ca., might not work best for my climate necessarily.   Just seems like that would be the case to me...
 
 

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Re: soil recipes
« Reply #37 on: January 28, 2012, 06:29 PM »
Hi i live in athens at sumer we have 30c 40c with very  strong and hot wind if i use akadama i kill ol my plands so insdead i dig and take a mountain soil  from the base of pines  without  the niddles 2/5 compost 1/5 pearlite, lava ,pumice,1/5 small iron balls from sotgun sells, charcoal 0,5/5 peat 0,5/5 for deciduous end evergreen and for conifers instead  of peat,  river sand
 

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Re: soil recipes
« Reply #38 on: January 28, 2012, 08:41 PM »
Hmm, well I strongly recommend that those who don't like Akadama to not use it.
 

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Re: soil recipes
« Reply #39 on: January 29, 2012, 04:23 AM »
hi akadama at sumer with dry hot windy wather becames like desert soil in greece. i must water the trees every 3-4 hours and the trees can not breathe,espesiali  when we have strong winds direct from libya. not doing for dry climates and not that i dont like it.
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Re: soil recipes
« Reply #40 on: January 29, 2012, 05:49 AM »
hi akadama at sumer with dry hot windy wather becames like desert grund in greece. i must water the trees every 3-4 hours and the trees can not breathe,espesiali  when we have strong winds direct from libya. not doing for dry climates and not that i dont like it.
 

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Re: soil recipes
« Reply #41 on: January 29, 2012, 08:59 AM »
hi. akadama at summer with dry hot windy weather became like desert ground in Greece. i must water the trees every 3-4 hours and the trees can not breathe,especially when we have strong winds direct from Libya. not doing for dry climates and not that i don't like it. sorry for the spelling above.
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Re: soil recipes
« Reply #42 on: January 29, 2012, 11:44 AM »
Well I'd like to give it a try just to see how the trees respond. 
 

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Re: soil recipes
« Reply #43 on: January 29, 2012, 02:21 PM »
if you do look out the shot shell type, must be with a variety of metals not only lead. metals like steel, bismuth, tin and zinc. because you can not  find that quantities of this metals aneware else.
 

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Re: soil recipes
« Reply #44 on: January 29, 2012, 03:14 PM »
pc   .be careful if your soil mix is acidic for trees like azalea then you must pout less quantities of shot shells inside fx shot sells 0,1 carcoal 0,4.