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bwaynef

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Re: Shortage(s?) of good material
« Reply #15 on: January 11, 2014, 11:42 AM »
out of curiosity, how much should this tree cost?

I'm not particularly good at valuing bonsai.  I haven't been in the market in so long, ...and my market is different than others.  All that said, I would be surprised if this tree had a price tag any less than $1200.  I suspect that this tree was sold a while back.
 

Don Blackmond

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Re: Shortage(s?) of good material
« Reply #16 on: January 11, 2014, 02:40 PM »
out of curiosity, how much should this tree cost?

I'm not particularly good at valuing bonsai.  I haven't been in the market in so long, ...and my market is different than others.  All that said, I would be surprised if this tree had a price tag any less than $1200.  I suspect that this tree was sold a while back.

it did sell about 4 years ago now.  I would not be surprised to see a tree like that with a price tag less than $1200; I'd be stunned.
 

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Re: Shortage(s?) of good material
« Reply #17 on: January 11, 2014, 03:43 PM »
I've been looking hard for the past year to find Japanese maples of this quality available in the US. So far I haven' found what I'm looking for. I think even though this thread is several years old, we still have a disparity of great maple stock here. There are plenty of great Trident maples around. I think a big part of the problem is just how long it takes to create the great JM's. -- Even just finding any great trunks/nebari hasn't been easy. 
 

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Re: Shortage(s?) of good material
« Reply #18 on: January 11, 2014, 04:36 PM »
If anyone sees a tree like this for less than 1200, please PM me immediately!!  ;) That is about 1/2 of what I'd expect to see on the price tag....
 

Don Blackmond

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Re: Shortage(s?) of good material
« Reply #19 on: January 11, 2014, 05:00 PM »
If anyone sees a tree like this for less than 1200, please PM me immediately!!  ;) That is about 1/2 of what I'd expect to see on the price tag....

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Re: Shortage(s?) of good material
« Reply #20 on: January 11, 2014, 08:04 PM »
No offense intended.  As mentioned, I'm not an active market participant.  None of what I'm seeing seems unreasonable for the tree in question.
 

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Re: Shortage(s?) of good material
« Reply #21 on: January 12, 2014, 07:33 AM »
No offense intended.  As mentioned, I'm not an active market participant.  None of what I'm seeing seems unreasonable for the tree in question.

No offense taken by me.  I'm just offering my opinion on the OP's post.  The demand (and the price paid) has to support the supply of good/great material.  If the market isn't willing to pay what it takes, then no one will put in the time, effort and money to produce the material.
 

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Re: Shortage(s?) of good material
« Reply #22 on: January 12, 2014, 11:34 AM »

No offense taken by me.  I'm just offering my opinion on the OP's post.  The demand (and the price paid) has to support the supply of good/great material.  If the market isn't willing to pay what it takes, then no one will put in the time, effort and money to produce the material.


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Re: Shortage(s?) of good material
« Reply #23 on: January 12, 2014, 03:11 PM »
By the looks of it, Doug Paul's collection took a serious hit this year. Very few of those white pines look to be in good shape. Still, the huge white pine for $1400 and a few others look like good deals to me. Too bad I've never cared for a white pine before, and don't intend on learning basic tree care on such a specimen. Quite a few affordable specimen maples up for sale there. I went through them all and he has about $150k for sale. Hahaha and you know this is the crappiest 1/10th of his collection. I really need to make the 3.5 hour drive across the state to check out his collection. I'm sure it's mind blowing.
 

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« Reply #24 on: January 13, 2014, 09:16 PM »
It is now four years later since there was agreement on this post regarding low amounts of demand driving the low supply. I'm curious, how do those in the know feel now, is it changing, is the demand increasing? Has the supply caught up to it? How about prices, are bonsai buyers inelastic or are pricing being kept reasonable?

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« Reply #25 on: January 14, 2014, 01:34 PM »
It is now four years later since there was agreement on this post regarding low amounts of demand driving the low supply. I'm curious, how do those in the know feel now, is it changing, is the demand increasing? Has the supply caught up to it? How about prices, are bonsai buyers inelastic or are pricing being kept reasonable?

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I'm not exactly one of "those in the know", but I would say a qualified yes. I think there is a little bit more high quality material available of 'grown in USA' material. Jim Doyle at Nature's Way, Don Blackmond, in Michigan, Teleperion Farms, The whole Pacific Northwest Bonsai group with their fantastic yamadori and better and better quality nursery raised stock. (Bonsai Mirai, Crategus, Randy Clark, etc) California has their nurseries too, Bob Pressler, George Muranaka, Brent Walston (don't mean to insult anyone by leaving them out, just not enough time to type).

The amount of medium quality stock is coming along faster than the high end quality stock. This is most likely because it takes a disproportionate amount of time to take good stock and make high quality exhibition grade stock. But I would say there is some improvement.