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General Category => General Bonsai Discussion => Topic started by: Ilithya on November 08, 2016, 05:39 AM

Title: River sand soil
Post by: Ilithya on November 08, 2016, 05:39 AM
Hello Everyone. Can i please ask for a suggestion from you guys? Can i use River Sand for my Bonsai? What's the advantages and disadvantages of using it. I read one article in a forum about using River Sand that it would be beneficial for the Bonsai to use it. Does anyone here tried and used River Sand?

Thank you in advace for everyone who will answer my post.

Thank you
Eddy

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Title: Re: River sand soil
Post by: scereghino on November 11, 2016, 11:50 AM
I do not use classic river sand . the reason is the grains are typical round material. If I grew species found along rivers that held water then I would be more inclined. I do use a lot of gruss (decomposed granite) because it is more angular and will hold air pockets a little better as well as small pockets of residual water.

On anther side though, river sand is cheap and easy to get. try to get the larger grains if possible.

There are other folks that have way more experience than I do. perhaps they can chime in to the benefits of using river sand.
Scott
Title: Re: River sand soil
Post by: Ilithya on November 11, 2016, 03:09 PM
I do not use classic river sand . the reason is the grains are typical round material. If I grew species found along rivers that held water then I would be more inclined. I do use a lot of gruss (decomposed granite) because it is more angular and will hold air pockets a little better as well as small pockets of residual water.

On anther side though, river sand is cheap and easy to get. try to get the larger grains if possible.

There are other folks that have way more experience than I do. perhaps they can chime in to the benefits of using river sand.
Scott
Thank you for your advice

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Title: Re: River sand soil
Post by: bwaynef on November 11, 2016, 04:08 PM
Depending what article you were reading, river sand might mean a few different things.  If it was an article translated from Japanese, river sand is a translation of one of the japanese soil particles: I think Kiryu. 

I'd hesitate to use anything that compacts, or doesn't allow for a lot of oxygen exchange.  Fine particles of sand will prevent air from getting into the rootball and hold too much moisture.
Title: Re: River sand soil
Post by: Ilithya on November 11, 2016, 04:10 PM
Depending what article you were reading, river sand might mean a few different things.  If it was an article translated from Japanese, river sand is a translation of one of the japanese soil particles: I think Kiryu. 

I'd hesitate to use anything that compacts, or doesn't allow for a lot of oxygen exchange.  Fine particles of sand will prevent air from getting into the rootball and hold too much moisture.
Thank you so much for your response

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Title: Re: River sand soil
Post by: Jay on November 12, 2016, 06:09 AM
Just a thought. Our  trees are valuable, if we purchased them or collected them. We also have time invested in them. The soil we put them in is,the least expensive of the tree, pot, soil. From my point of view,it is extremely important to the proper growth and health  of the tree. There are many different soils available don't re invent the wheel. And yes, I did try various different soils but have come to the reality that Bonsai soil is Bonsai soil.
Jay
Title: Re: River sand soil
Post by: Anthony on November 12, 2016, 09:12 AM
We use 5 mm silica based sand. If we could get it rounded, even better.

Look up the ball bearing principle - how marbles touch each other, and as a soil
allows free drainage and fresh 02 for plants roots.

Good Day
Anthony
Title: Re: River sand soil
Post by: Ilithya on November 14, 2016, 03:52 AM
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Im new and still learning about the bonsai. I bought this mulberry at bunnings a month ago almost dry and dying already the original price was $30 but they told me if i really like it i can have it for $10 because its dying. I try to used pure river sand and after a month this is what happen. Happy tree already.

Eddy

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Title: Re: River sand soil
Post by: M. Frary on November 14, 2016, 09:57 AM
  I don't use anything in my substrate mix that doesn't hold water and or air.
Sandy and grit take up space for the good stuff and makes it heavier.