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Title: Put your trees to bed...... Winter is coming!
Post by: John Kirby on October 11, 2009, 10:08 PM
Got up early and drove on up to Pavement Ends and had good day with Chris Johnston grappling with putting up a little poly house. Chris like the rest of us sees winter coming and is getting ready for it, he needed a four thumbed carpenter to help, so I volunteered. Anyway, Left Ottawa, KS at  about 5:15pm and started up to South Dakota for the week. Got to northern Missouri and Southern Iowa and it started snowing- now granted it didn't stick (it was 34 F outside), but this isn't fair. I need another 45 days of summer........

I recommend everyone have their winter coat ready...... Maybe snow in Alameda this year?

John
(I got tired and stopped for the night in, woohoo!!!, Council Bluffs, Iowa, the ripsnorting casino town on the Mighty Missouri.)
Title: Re: Put your trees to bed...... Winter is coming!
Post by: boon on October 12, 2009, 12:15 AM
John,
so you were in Ottawa, KS.  pls post some pictures if you have.

yes, it is getting colder now.  it is about 2 weeks too early.  we will have rain storm on Tuesday.  i hope i can fly out to Howard on Wednesday. it may snow.  who knows?

i wish i were there in Iowa.  i can picture a casino with a lot of cowboys and cowgirls.
hee haaa.
Boon


Title: Re: Put your trees to bed...... Winter is coming!
Post by: bonsaikc on October 12, 2009, 09:37 AM
Boon,
Since one of our volunteers un-volunteered, I didn't get to take photos during the process. But John was fantastic, volunteering his time and materials to help me get things sorted out. I still need to put plywood on the windward end (we can get extremely high winds here, and the prevailing winds are almost always around), but it came together well in spite of the slightly nosy neighbor. I look forward to finishing it out and getting my trees in there. I will take photos including details ASAP.

Chris
Title: Re: Put your trees to bed...... Winter is coming!
Post by: Grog on October 12, 2009, 12:33 PM
Whoa.  John was 20 minutes away from where I live.   I hope you didn't donate too much money to the casinos.  The snow and hard freeze that came Saturday night were both unwelcome.  Not good for the trees or the crops sitting in the field. 

I have all the material for my cold frame, unfortunately it didn't benefit the trees any piled up in the garage.
Title: Re: Put your trees to bed...... Winter is coming!
Post by: bonsaikc on October 12, 2009, 01:30 PM
Hey, Grog! Welcome to Bonsai Study Group! Hope your trees are doing well. This cool summer and early winter are going to be a bear, I think.

Chris
Title: Re: Put your trees to bed...... Winter is coming!
Post by: Don Blackmond on October 16, 2009, 08:39 AM
we had snow here in southwest Michigan 2 nights ago and yesterday morning.  it was only about 34 degrees so it just melted as soon as it fell.  most of my trees love this weather, although its been too wet this Fall.  the tropicals....well they don't like it and are in the greenhouse right now.  the cold weather is early here this year.  local farmers are predicting a mild Winter though???  Thanksgiving week is usually when the outside stuff gets moved into the greenhouse.  That's not looking likely this year.
Title: Re: Put your trees to bed...... Winter is coming!
Post by: John Kirby on October 16, 2009, 09:06 AM
Hi Boon.

Chris worked me too hard, kept me slaving from dawn to dusk, he has learned well from his teacher........

We got the structure up and skinned, just needed to have the ends covered. Hopefully he will post some pics soon, before the tornado carries it out of Kansas and over to Missouri.

John
(Don, I am afraid of an early snow this year..... but to cover stuff now in Arkansas would be close to nuts. Hmmmm, what to do?)
Title: Re: Put your trees to bed...... Winter is coming!
Post by: Don Blackmond on October 16, 2009, 09:12 AM
(Don, I am afraid of an early snow this year..... but to cover stuff now in Arkansas would be close to nuts. Hmmmm, what to do?)

what do you have that cannot handle a little snow?
Title: Re: Put your trees to bed...... Winter is coming!
Post by: bonsaikc on October 16, 2009, 09:46 AM
I have finished the ends, with exterior plywood paneling on the windward side, and plastic on the leeward side. I'll use another piece of paneling for a removable door and just tack it with a couple of screws. Now the pressure is off and I can build some benches inside while I wait just a bit for the leaves to turn.

I was reading this morning that el Nino was supposed to make the Midwest have a warmer winter than average. I certainly hope that's the case.

Chris

P.S. I want to say publicly that I have had many good friends in my lifetime but I can't think of anyone else who would have gone to the trouble and expense that John did to help me. I feel truly fortunate to be associated with him. John, I can't express enough how grateful I am.

Chris
Title: Re: Put your trees to bed...... Winter is coming!
Post by: JRob on October 16, 2009, 10:39 AM
John,

If a tornado does carry it into Missouri, hope it drops in my yard in St. Louis and misses the pool and trees. There is plenty of open space in the yard for it to sit. The pool cabana where I winter my trees will be full this winter. I have run out of space and will need additional storage next winter. Guess I should start planning now.

Don - all the trees are looking great and as of yet we have not dropped below freezing yet and no frost either. This weekend we may hit the 32 degree mark one night. Everything looks great on the benches but the rain can stop, It has certainly been a wet month for us.

JRob
Title: Re: Put your trees to bed...... Winter is coming!
Post by: Don Blackmond on October 16, 2009, 11:37 AM
good to hear JRob.

John, you should have stopped by on your way north and loaded up with some more nice, big black pines
Title: Re: Put your trees to bed...... Winter is coming!
Post by: greerhw on October 16, 2009, 01:25 PM
(Don, I am afraid of an early snow this year..... but to cover stuff now in Arkansas would be close to nuts. Hmmmm, what to do?)

what do you have that cannot handle a little snow?

When I put the co-poly on my shade house to turn it into a green house, I have to do it myself, since we have a lot of wind down here, I have to wait on a calm day, not too many of those. So I put it on at my convience, but this fall we've had so much rain, I have my trees in there, I will put the co-poly on as soon as we get a stretch of dry weather and set my trees back outside. My Comanche buddy told me it was going to be a hard winter here. For what it's worth, he goes out and cuts 25ft tall Riverbirch trees and makes a Teepee where he spends the winter, keeping his heritage alive.

keep it green,
Harry
Title: Re: Put your trees to bed...... Winter is coming!
Post by: John Kirby on October 17, 2009, 12:20 PM
The only reason I am afraid of a snow or ice before I get the Poly on is- I have shade cloth on my 64x20 and my 48x20, shade cloth holds lots of snow and ice and frames can collapse. The trees love it, except the Ilex vomitoria which prefer semi tropical weather.

John
Title: Re: Put your trees to bed...... Winter is coming!
Post by: Steven on October 17, 2009, 06:26 PM
I. vomitoria prefer semi-tropical? Didn't know that. Mine sit outside all thru winter. This will be there 2nd. Nothin fancy right now they just little bushes in nursery cans.  :P
Title: Re: Put your trees to bed...... Winter is coming!
Post by: Steven on October 17, 2009, 06:40 PM
Do got a stupid question though. Since I leave my trees outside on the ground(black weed tarp) for the winter, those that I have in colanders/pond baskets would I need to protect those? Say, saran wrap the sides? I place mine on the ground huddled together and place mulched leaves around the outside. I use bark mulch for any of my shallow containers by mounding it up. I place plastic around the outside of the fence to help with winds.
Title: Re: Put your trees to bed...... Winter is coming!
Post by: John Kirby on October 17, 2009, 11:46 PM
Nah, your trees should be fine. The Ilex comment was a joke for Harry.

John
Title: Re: Put your trees to bed...... Winter is coming!
Post by: Steven on October 18, 2009, 08:51 AM
Ah. Boy, look at my gullible butt. I took it serious  :o D'oh. Thanks John
Title: Re: Put your trees to bed...... Winter is coming!
Post by: greerhw on October 18, 2009, 10:39 AM
You got me too, I don't even know what a Ilex vomitoria  is........... :D

keep it green,
Harry
Title: Re: Put your trees to bed...... Winter is coming!
Post by: John Kirby on October 18, 2009, 08:52 PM
Harry,
When I was in OKC a few weeks ago, about half of the small leaved plantings I saw were Ilex vomitoria- Dwarf Yaupon Holly, they are everywhere. I was on another site and there was an extensive debate about these plants being semitropical- they do great here in the Fayetteville area as well.

John
Title: Re: Put your trees to bed...... Winter is coming!
Post by: greerhw on October 18, 2009, 09:08 PM
Okay, gotcha, here's one I bid on a while back on ebay, even made a reasonable offer, but I was turned down.

keep it green,
Harry
Title: Re: Put your trees to bed...... Winter is coming!
Post by: Dale Cochoy on October 19, 2009, 06:07 PM
Did John bring the hoops with him or did he bend them with his bare hands right there on site??

Note to John:
John, I need some work done in my garden also.
Do you own a rake??
Dale
Title: Re: Put your trees to bed...... Winter is coming!
Post by: John Kirby on October 19, 2009, 06:43 PM
Dale,
OK, you come dig trees for me (I have about 7-800 in the ground, $20 apiece row run- 25 tree minimum.) and I will think about coming to your place and rake.

Chris is a fellow SOB, we SOBs stick together. For the record, I bent the hoops at home the day before I went over, I thought about bending them on site, but didn't want to take a chance on running out of daylight before we got done.

Cheers,
John