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Joshua Hanzman

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Procumbens juniper emergency collection
« on: October 16, 2013, 09:35 AM »
I'm on my campus, (NJIT, in Newark) and saw this juniper lying in the dirt with one root still attached, it obviously has been struck by a lawnmower. I must collect it now or it will be lost....

I need some advice for aftercare, I have read that shocked trees do not need that season of dormancy, so I'm thinking about keeping it in the greenhouse over this winter, keep it under a mister and add rooting hormone... Any advice would be greatly appreciated, I'm willing to try anything, but tbh, i don't have much hope for it. Unfortunately, I'm not a magician (kimura comes to mind and the Chinese juniper that had no roots on it that he managed to keep alive) somehow he had roots on it three days later! I wish he outlined how he did it, but i guess a magician doesn't reveal his tricks...

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Re: Re: Procumbens juniper emergency collection
« Reply #1 on: October 16, 2013, 09:59 AM »
I can't put pictures right now, the form says its not allowed by the administrator. I'm on my phone fyi, I'll post pictures when i can, but it has nice live veins, dead wood, and a twisty old trunk, i need to know how to force it to root, out literally has the small feeders roots still connected to it...

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Re: Procumbens juniper emergency collection
« Reply #2 on: October 16, 2013, 10:25 AM »
Joshua you can't kill it if it s already dead. Plant it leaving as much as you can of the native soil. Keeping it from freezing this season is probably a good idea but it still can go dormant.
Also as a thought.... Every tree that can be collected isn't necessarily a tree that should be collected.
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Re: Procumbens juniper emergency collection
« Reply #3 on: October 16, 2013, 10:28 AM »
it has potential, imho
 

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Re: Procumbens juniper emergency collection
« Reply #4 on: October 16, 2013, 11:45 AM »
There's certainly an interesting trunkline in there.  Might be too early to make many plans for it though.
 

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Re: Procumbens juniper emergency collection
« Reply #5 on: October 16, 2013, 12:04 PM »
Nice trunk, I would just try to get it growing for the next 2 years. Only after it has a decent 2 year old or older root system would I try to do any styling. I think over that period of time a good design direction will become obvious to you. Nice material.
 

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Re: Procumbens juniper emergency collection
« Reply #6 on: October 16, 2013, 12:45 PM »
I'm thinking bonsai soil, rooting hormone and myccorhizae for the few roots that still exist. Further up the trunk to give it less of a distance to travel to form roots, I'll drill a few holes filled with a mix of cloning gel and rooting hormone then wrap with live-washed sphagnum (or dried?), wrapped like an airlayer (curing the inverse taper is a welcome side effect).

Any comments on this strategy would be greatly appreciated. Anyone have experience with something similar?
 

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Re: Procumbens juniper emergency collection
« Reply #7 on: October 16, 2013, 10:02 PM »
Do what?
 

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Re: Re: Procumbens juniper emergency collection
« Reply #8 on: October 16, 2013, 10:51 PM »
Was my post above confusing? I tried to lay it out as clearly as I could. I'm basically going to follow what it looks like kimura did in the second tree in the 1st magician book.

Basically, He performed some ritualistic sacrifice to the root gods in an attempt to make roots appear on the Chinese juniper, which was collected with no roots. I'm trying to see if any knows what the spell he cast consisted of...

I hope this makes more sense than my previous post.

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Re: Procumbens juniper emergency collection
« Reply #9 on: October 16, 2013, 10:56 PM »
Let us know if it works. The Kimura tree was done in spring.
 

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Re: Procumbens juniper emergency collection
« Reply #10 on: October 17, 2013, 05:35 AM »
Josh,
  I reckon its gonna be hard to keep those little roots alive, magic or not. I would cut a lot of holes in that cup, and bury the whole thing in the ground, or a pot.  Any more stress will likely do him in. If you can keep wind off of it, and mist on, I believe it will live.  If you drill it......., force it, powder it, gel it, abracadabra! it, I believe it will die.

   Good Luck NJJosh

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« Reply #11 on: October 17, 2013, 09:07 AM »
Ok thanx for the advice guys,

seriously sorce, one single feeder root is on this tree. I truly feel if i don't trigger spring and root growth in this tree, I'm afraid i will lose it. The one feeder that still existed was completely uncovered of soil... Knowing that, do you still advice doing nothing besides keeping it warm and misting it? What about bottom heat?

Can anyone else please weigh in on this, right now i intend to still drill one single hole and do my plan on a much smaller scale. Any else think i should go through with it?

John, is there any way to trigger the tree to believe it is spring?

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Re: Procumbens juniper emergency collection
« Reply #12 on: October 17, 2013, 09:59 AM »
I would wait on trying the layering until the tree is healthy and growing strongly. I'd suggest you plant the tree in pure pumice or other good draining and oxygenating substrate and keep it in a greenhouse or plastic enclosure. Mist the foliage several times a day and keep the soil slightly moist but not wet. It may be a year before you see new growth and 3 years before you start getting good roots.
when the foliage starts producing runners (3-4" shoots) is the time to start other work on it.

 

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Re: Procumbens juniper emergency collection
« Reply #13 on: October 18, 2013, 06:27 AM »
It already knows it need more roots. It already knows where to make them and is focusing its little energy there. Another hole will split the energy and then there may not be enough left.

Let it stay focused.

 

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Re: Procumbens juniper emergency collection
« Reply #14 on: October 18, 2013, 08:55 AM »
I vote for absolutely, positively leaving it be. You're being told by knowledgeable people that the tree will die if anything else is done. Don't overwater. As it is, the chance of survival is very slim. I hope it thrives.

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