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Possible Move to Texas - Need your thoughts
« on: December 09, 2009, 10:28 AM »
Greetings to All and May your Holidays be wonderful and full of Good Health!

I am one of those members who have come on board after the loss of BonsaiTalk.  I have been reading and trying not to put my ‘two cents’ in until I have something worthy of a post.  I now need the advice and thoughts of those knowledgeable with relocation.

As information to those who are not familiar with me or my trees, I have been enjoying Bonsai for over ten years. My love for Bonsai is far greater than my ability.  I am retired and presently live in northern Vermont, zone 3b (fall through spring). I moved to Vermont 5 years ago and had problems with many of my trees adjusting to the change to zone 3b from zone 5b.

My family is discussing a major move. If it occurs I will be moving to the Austin/Georgetown area of Texas. This move is still uncertain but has gained steam lately. If this move does occur I would be in Texas from approximately mid October through mid to late May. During the summer months I would still live in the northern Adirondacks’ in New York (zone 3b but only for the summer).

After this long and winded introduction, my question is:
From the list below, which trees should I find new homes for before I make this move, Again wintering in Texas (zone 8ish) and then summering in New York (zone 4ish)?

Maples….. Trident, Japanese, and Amur
Hornbeam…. Korean
White Cedar…. Thuja Occidentalis
Apple…. Crab and Malus Indian Magic
Larch
Birch…. White
Boxwood… Buxus Microphylla Koreana Nana
Blueberry….. Vaccinium Tophat (Blue Betty)
Spruce

Thanks for your thoughts
Jay in limbo
 

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Re: Possible Move to Texas - Need your thoughts
« Reply #1 on: December 09, 2009, 01:04 PM »
Jay, am I understanding correctly that the trees will move with you back and forth each year?  What part of the adirondaks.  If the trees move with you in mid to late may, I imagine the temp difference between Texas and Northern NY would be quite extreme.  I know the larch can't go south with you, as they require the colder temps.  I can't comment on the others, but imagine the spruce and EWC enjoy the cooler weather also. I know they are plenty of people growing bonsai in texas. Also at least one or two on this forum have made a north/south (vise versa) relocation.  Perhaps they can share their experiences with us. 

For anyone who grows bonsai, moving can present a great challenge.  From speaking with others, my advice would be don't take trees with you and hope they will survive.  Take the ones that you KNOW will survive. 

Dave
 

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Re: Possible Move to Texas - Need your thoughts
« Reply #2 on: December 09, 2009, 02:40 PM »
Dave,
IF this move occurs, it will probably be after next summer. I had hoped to scale back my collection to 10 to 12 max trees. I had hoped to be able to keep a few of the present and obtain others that could withstand the travel.

I believe I would be departing Texas in the late spring and arriving in upstate NY after the last frost. Leaving NY before the first frost and returning to Texas. I could bury the Larch at the end of the summer and hope they would survive. I realize that some of the others would need to find new homes (spruce Cedar etc), but hoped that the Maples, apples, hornbeams and Boxwood could make it.

I agree totally with the advice to only do this with trees that can survive, I'm hoping that there ARE trees that can survive.
Jay
 

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Re: Possible Move to Texas - Need your thoughts
« Reply #3 on: December 10, 2009, 02:15 AM »
I think they would all do fine. The three I don't know about would be the spruce, larch, and white cedar. All the other trees are grown successfully here in the south.
 

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« Reply #4 on: December 10, 2009, 09:55 AM »
Larch will die--possibly outright--in Texas. They decline and die here in Va. because of the summer heat. I've tried to grow them repeatedly, as have others in Va. All the folks I've talked to here have had similar results with this species. Growers 30-40 miles north in Maryland, however CAN grow them and do. The Mason Dixon line seems to be a rough dividing line or sorts, for North/South tree species.

I'd also think White Cedar might be iffy, as well as apple (unless it's a crab apple) in Texas. Spruce (depending on the species) probably won't do well in Texas either. Japanese maples will scorch and sunscald very easily in the Texas sun--the thinner the leaf, the more prone JMs are to sunlight. Laceleaf varieties get burned to a crisp here in Va. in August even as landscape specimens. (Eastern Va. is roughly the same growing zone as Dallas---Zone 7)
 

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Re: Possible Move to Texas - Need your thoughts
« Reply #5 on: December 10, 2009, 10:47 AM »
Thank you both. I agree the Larch, cedar and Spruce are probably not going to make it to Texas. I 'think' the area we are thinking of moving to is less hot than others. Also with moving the trees up north in May I'm hoping to avoid a good deal of the burning.

Are there any species that you feel would be better matches for me and my moves.

Jay
 

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Re: Possible Move to Texas - Need your thoughts
« Reply #6 on: December 10, 2009, 11:39 AM »
Are there any species that you feel would be better matches for me and my moves.

Jay
Juniper immediately comes to mind...in my experience they are the toughest, most adaptaptable conifer.  I'd also consider elm, either the chinese variety or some of the southern varieties like water or cedar elm (I readily admit I have not grown these plants myself).  I wish you the best of luck.  Having moved my 70 plus tree collection from Massachusetts to Georgia this past summer, I can certainly understand your concern...I have up to 10 years invested in some of my trees and I probably won't know if they will adjust to the N.GA climate for several years (I'm pretty sure I won't ;D)...and I did have to leave some nice trees behind.  Take care and let us know how things transpire.

Dave
 

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Re: Possible Move to Texas - Need your thoughts
« Reply #7 on: December 10, 2009, 02:00 PM »
Two words for you:

"Cedar Elm"

...Get a large collected trunk, which are easily available in Texas from many bonsai sources--and go from there. Or dig your own while you're down there--they're easy to dig (I've dug several over the years).

I have had my largest cedar elm bonsai for going on 13 years now. I overwinter it here in Va. only under mulch. It has had no dieback or winter kill with that treatment in that time. It is extremely summer hardy also--it handles higher temps with not much fuss, not so with other elms, like Chinese elm, which are prone to black spot in summer.

CE is easily the most responsive and satisfying bonsai material I've worked with. It easily handles mispruning, harsh treatment, etc. yet is also capable of very subtle development in expert hands.

I'd urge you to look into one while you're down there. They are extremely common in East and Southeast Texas.

I guarantee once you begin working with this species, you will be spoiled.
 

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Re: Possible Move to Texas - Need your thoughts
« Reply #8 on: December 10, 2009, 02:36 PM »
. "I 'think' the area we are thinking of moving to is less hot than others."

 ;D ;D Well, the east side of the sun might be a little cooler than the Western side, but it's all sun...

Average August daytime temp in Austin is in the mid-90's--and the true meaning of "It's not the heat, it's the humidity" will become blindingly clear. That said, Austin is a terrific place-especially for bonsai.

Also Texans are terrific.
 

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Re: Possible Move to Texas - Need your thoughts
« Reply #9 on: December 10, 2009, 02:53 PM »
Ah yes... the humidity. As far as the temps, we are more than likely going to be in the hills in the Georgetown area. I talk like I know what I am talking about.... I don't. If the move comes off it will be to follow the family.

Also remember, we will not be in Texas from mid May till October, thus missing those super hot days of summer. Of what I can find on the net, Georgetown isn't all that hot October through May.

At this point I'm almost hoping this fall through.

Jay
 

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« Reply #10 on: December 10, 2009, 03:13 PM »

At this point I'm almost hoping this fall through.

Jay

If I remember correctly, you do alot of skiing...I doubt the hills around Georgetown will have a venue like Smugglers Notch...
 

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Re: Possible Move to Texas - Need your thoughts
« Reply #11 on: December 10, 2009, 04:10 PM »
Dave, You are correct. I do enjoy winter sports and no Georgetown Texas will not have any. What it will have is my grand kids who may be moving with their parents. If they do, my wife and I will probably follow. We can (and will) take a few ski trips during the season.

My love of my family trumps my love of my trees.

Jay
 

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« Reply #12 on: December 10, 2009, 07:22 PM »
Hi Jay. So you're going to become another " Winter Texan" as they say.  I would say in central Texas, the boxwood, maple,  and maybe apple and hornbeam will do OK. I wouldn't try the others. You might try to goggle "Jade Gardens", and perhaps contact Chuck Ware who owns an awesome bonsai nursery in Wimberley, Tx. He is also active in the local clubs, and would be able to best answer your questions.   Good luck, Larry
 

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Re: Possible Move to Texas - Need your thoughts
« Reply #13 on: December 11, 2009, 12:33 AM »
Hi Jay,
Welcome to the wild world of Texas Bonsai!  Seriously though if you don't plan on staying through the heat of summer, you shouldn't find too many problems.  Oct - May is our wet and cool season (we have two, the other being hot and dry).  :)

Looking over your list I'd say these will do just fine:
Maples….. Trident, Japanese, and Amur
Hornbeam…. Korean
Apple…. Crab and Malus Indian Magic
Boxwood… Buxus Microphylla Koreana Nana
Blueberry….. Vaccinium Tophat (Blue Betty)

These you may have problems with:
White Cedar…. Thuja Occidentalis
Larch
Birch…. White
Spruce

The issue isn't going to be heat, humidity, or any other problem but rather your trees won't get a long enough cold dormancy period.   Contrary to popular belief, it does freeze down here (tonight in fact) and we have about a 2-3 month dormancy in Central Texas.  However, we'll get many many warm days inbetween, and northern trees need more cold time to keep them happy.  If the travel is safe for them, most of your trees will experience the "soft seasons" of both climates and maybe they'll love it.  It's interesting to think about!

I'd say another resource besides Jade Gardens located nearby in Wimberley (a great nursery!), is MBP Bonsai located in Pflugerville, only minutes away from Georgetown.  Both have local experts and can help with any problems.  I live in N. Austin, very near Georgetown, and I'm the president of the Austin Bonsai Society.  We have a very active club and lots of members to give assistance too if needed!  In addition, the Shohin Society of Texas meets in Austin and the Texas State Bonsai Exhibit is being built just outside of Austin as well.
Joey McCoy
 

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Re: Possible Move to Texas - Need your thoughts
« Reply #14 on: December 11, 2009, 01:25 AM »
Well said Joey! Hows your Yaupon Hollies din?