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Jason E

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ponderosa or satsuki?
« on: July 15, 2012, 07:54 PM »
Hello all,

So I have a significant amount of credit built up at the nursery, my thought was to get a nice high quality tree that normally might be a bit out of my price range.

Have been looking at some nice imported satsuki's. Also there is a nice ponderosa that I like alot.

My thought was that ponderosa's might be a bit easier to come by, more more around in differnt stages of developement, price ranges ect..

A fat trunk imported satsuki kind of cost what they cost and it is a great oppertunity to get ahold of one w/ credit and not cash out of pocket.

Just thought someone thats been around and worked on their collection might have some insight.

thanks, Jason

 

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Re: ponderosa or satsuki?
« Reply #1 on: July 15, 2012, 08:44 PM »
Both are really nice trees.  I'd probably go for the Satsuki given that they are rarer, and that seems to be a nice one.  Do you know what variety?

That being said, the Ponderosa is nice too, and you really can't go wrong with either.
 

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Re: ponderosa or satsuki?
« Reply #2 on: July 15, 2012, 09:07 PM »
Thanks MC,

It's a Hakutsuru, small white flower. They have a number of nice imported satuki's, this one looked the best before bumping up in price a bit.
 

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Re: ponderosa or satsuki?
« Reply #3 on: July 16, 2012, 08:42 AM »
Man, you know you're doing something right when this is the kind of problem you feel the need to seek advice on ;D.  My thoughts are that both are great trees and either one will be a great addition to your collection.  Having both large satsukis and ponderosas in my collection at one point or another, I would say that the satsuki will be a higher maintenance tree as far as pruning, wiring, etc., is concerned, and may be a bit more susceptible to weather issues then the pine, which isn't nearly as demanding as far as watering, winter protection, pruning, etc.  Ultimately, your gut will tell you which one to get...I'm jealous of your connundrum.
 

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Re: ponderosa or satsuki?
« Reply #4 on: July 16, 2012, 01:42 PM »
i agree with both replies above.  Both trees are nice, and both will likley do OK in your climate.  I think it will likley be harder to find another satsuki like that, but as mentioned Ponderosas are relatively easy to get your hands on.  Though that really is a good looking ponderosa - lots of healthy foliage.

So I think the key is which species do you feel more comfortable taking care of, or alternatively, which species do you want to be forced to learn more about?

- bob
 

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Re: ponderosa or satsuki?
« Reply #5 on: July 16, 2012, 01:51 PM »
I would have to say the satsuki here. It will do well in your climate.
 

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Re: ponderosa or satsuki?
« Reply #6 on: July 16, 2012, 02:44 PM »
Thank you all for taking the time to reply. All of my nicer trees are pines curently and I feel comfortable caring for a ponerosa. (have one already)
That being said getting into a nice azalea will diversify my collection a bit and also and force me to broaden my overall knowledge about bonsai.
The good thing is the higher price trees don't fly of the shelf so no pressure to decide right away.
thanks again,
Jason
 

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Re: ponderosa or satsuki?
« Reply #7 on: July 16, 2012, 09:22 PM »
I say go for the azalea, especially if you have a bunch of pines already.  They are both really nice trees and each would be a welcome addition to your bench.  Where is it that you work?
 

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Re: ponderosa or satsuki?
« Reply #8 on: July 17, 2012, 08:28 PM »
Thanks for the imput tm, Bonsai Northwest in Seattle. Great nursey, don't work there just help out and learn. bonus to get credit.

jason
 

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Re: ponderosa or satsuki?
« Reply #9 on: August 07, 2012, 10:09 PM »
Jason, did you pick one of these up yet? Which one...? lol  :)
 

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Re: ponderosa or satsuki?
« Reply #10 on: August 07, 2012, 10:53 PM »
Hi Dan,
You know I still cant decide ???
actually looking at this one for the azalea now.
juko no himare I think is the name mixed colors orange to pinkish.
I'll choose someday..lol
 

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Re: ponderosa or satsuki?
« Reply #11 on: August 08, 2012, 12:33 AM »
It's a hard decision. For me it's easy...satsuki's aren't even an option here in WY. But I can collect ponderosas any time I want. So it's a fair trade I suppose. It sure would be nice to be able to grow either though. I think it's a good problem to have...being able to choose between two trees like this. Good luck, I'm sure you'll be happy with either  :)
 

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Re: ponderosa or satsuki?
« Reply #12 on: August 08, 2012, 05:43 AM »
Azalea.  Never know when those will be hard to find.  That one looks pretty solid too. 
 

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Re: ponderosa or satsuki?
« Reply #13 on: August 08, 2012, 05:15 PM »
Thanks Owen,
My nursery says he's done importing them. He has imported trees many times in the past but isn't planning on any more.
not sure about other importers.
there is a major difference between the two satsuki's i am lookig at.
 the first one posted has many more branches of smaller diameter making up the pads, while the last one posted has thick main braches (in good locations) .
I like the defined thicker branches, makes it look more tree like to me when you look close. The upper branches are perhaps too thick though and may need to be grafted/regrown to make a better tree.
Also the second tree w/ the thicker branches has an unusual base, the nebari looks good but the trunk starts and then does an unusual kind of twist then continues up.
any thoughts on these characteristics?

thanks, Jason
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Re: ponderosa or satsuki?
« Reply #14 on: August 09, 2012, 04:46 PM »
So have you decided to go with the satsuki?  I think that I'd do that, as they seem far rarer than pondys.