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Yenling83

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Pallet of Akadama?
« on: April 09, 2013, 11:05 AM »
Wondering if anyone knows the answers to the questions below or can share their experience

-I was curious if anyone has ever purchased a Pallet of Akadama or Clay King?
-I was wondering where you would go to purchase a pallet? 
-On the pallet can you get various sizes, like small, medium and large or does it all have to be small size?
-How many bags come on a pallet?
-What would this cost for the pallet or for each bag?

Thanks!
 

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Re: Pallet of Akadama?
« Reply #1 on: April 09, 2013, 11:39 AM »
i would contact a nursery but i do have to say it is not going to be cheap at all. or better if you have a contact in japan i would go with that but then you have to pay for shipping no matter which way you go your going to be forking over a decent amount of money.
 

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Re: Pallet of Akadama?
« Reply #2 on: April 09, 2013, 07:46 PM »
Well, while the shipping's going to cost you for a whole pallet, the Akadama itself in Japan is cheap as, well, dirt?  If you're willing to fork out for a whole pallet, the cost is significantly less than what you'd pay per bag retail here.  Even with shipping you're looking at 10-15$ a bag.
 

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Re: Pallet of Akadama?
« Reply #3 on: April 09, 2013, 08:09 PM »
Try Gremel, I have gotten 50:50 splits on cly king (small:medium). Have done as few as 50 bags and as many as 100. Fair price. Importing akadama is a little tougher now, but you need tobrung in containers (~2000 bags to be worthwhile.
 

Yenling83

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Re: Pallet of Akadama?
« Reply #4 on: April 10, 2013, 06:17 PM »
Thanks for the info!  I'll have to buy a pallet soon and by the time it runs out i'll need to locate a source for Akadama in the U.S. and figure out how to process it:)
 

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Re: Pallet of Akadama?
« Reply #5 on: April 17, 2013, 11:05 AM »
I had heard from two bonsai nurseries and have seen several postings on bonsai web pages  that there was a problem importing Akadama.   
 

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Re: Pallet of Akadama?
« Reply #6 on: April 17, 2013, 01:14 PM »
To import Akadama you have to heat treat to kill any living organisms. Typically it is heated to 300 F to do so. Double Red Line brand, a very popular and useful source, changed hands a couple of years ago. The new owners did not heat treat, it was shipped to the US and USDA APHIS refused entry to Akadama from Double Red Line. Others have imported since, ensured it was heat treated and then send samples to USDA to be tested.
 

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Re: Pallet of Akadama?
« Reply #7 on: April 17, 2013, 05:38 PM »
Thanks for the clarification.
 

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Re: Pallet of Akadama?
« Reply #8 on: April 18, 2013, 12:42 PM »
I just received 2 18l bags of medium sized Akadama.  Pretty excited to give it a try on one or two special trees.

John, any idea when DRL is to return?  And I know you use Clay King, how do you like it comparatively?

Thanks
Chris
 

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Re: Pallet of Akadama?
« Reply #9 on: April 18, 2013, 12:50 PM »
Sift, sift. Sift.
You must be repotting big trees, I use the medium size when we are pushing root growth on big trees.

Double red line, no idea.

Clay King is great, limited current availability, maybe next year.
 

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Re: Pallet of Akadama?
« Reply #10 on: April 18, 2013, 07:24 PM »
Thanks John.  And I'm going to use this on repotting that lg. JBP from Brussels I got.  The one we discussed for the partial repot of JBP on another thread.  I let it get too dry this summer, I messed up and placed the side w. heavy roots towards the side of the heater in the overwintering house this winter.  Should've been 180 degrees w. the poor root system facing the heater.  Lost a crucial single bud on a rear branch.  This is my most crucial/timely needed, repot this yr for sure.  So I need something that's really going to help that weaker side.

And I'm going to use this Akadama for my wind blown ponderosa pine.  Too bad I don't have a pot for it yet as I'd really love not to pot it up in a chopped down nursery can lol  Anyway, I thought in the end I'd get more use out of a medium sized bag. 
 

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Re: Pallet of Akadama?
« Reply #11 on: February 06, 2014, 10:31 AM »
Did you ever manage to find a source for a pallet?  Any pointers in the right direction?  Estimates?
 

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Re: Pallet of Akadama?
« Reply #12 on: February 06, 2014, 11:21 PM »
I think gastronome's estimate of price if you import is a little low per bag.  Perhaps shipping to CA would be a lot cheaper.  It is cheap in Japan, but if it has to move away from the port city, prices increase a great deal.  I just bought 10 bags from Louisiana and had it shipped 3 bags per flat rate box and it was quite reasonable.  Vendor has a dozen bags left.  Pm me if you want the contact.
 

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Re: Pallet of Akadama?
« Reply #13 on: February 07, 2014, 07:55 AM »
My last pallet of Akadama came from WeeTree. Oregon to CT, Akadamma was 17$ a bag in 100 bag pallets. Trucking was 500$, I didn't have a dock so soil was delivered to a commercial entity in Mass. Cost me another  100$ or so in handling and fuel, So 23$ a bag. I believe uou can still get 1000 bag container load for under 10$ Per bag. To your inloading point. Hope this helps. If you want 100 bag pallets try House of Bonsai in Lakewood CA and HollowCreek Farms in NY. Maybe Cass Bonsai in Edwardsville IL.
 

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Re: Pallet of Akadama?
« Reply #14 on: February 10, 2014, 03:46 PM »
Not that it helps you at all, but its $19 per bag in a pallet of 100 to most cities (Syd/Can/Melb) on the east coast of Australia.