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KimchiMonger

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Newbie Juniper Procumbens #2 (Adventures in $10 Masterpieces)
« on: September 12, 2010, 11:03 AM »
This is the second $10 nursery stock juniper I've chronicled for direction and feedback. Experienced members have been so giving. Thanks to you who've put their two cents worth in - priceless.

The first Juniper progression is here:

http://bonsaistudygroup.com/general-discussion/newbie-juniper/

This second one took me by surprise because what I thought I saw in the uncut specimen turned out completely different from what I have now! The branches I wanted to style were cutting in front of the main branch and no amount of twisting or styling would of had them rest in a natural style! The entire 3 Gal. shrub came down to this.

Any input on current state? Should I lower that main branch and bring it closer to the trunk? I dunno....

« Last Edit: September 12, 2010, 11:36 AM by KimchiMonger »
 

Jerry Norbury

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Re: Newbie Juniper Procumbens #2 (Adventures in $10 Masterpieces)
« Reply #1 on: September 12, 2010, 01:01 PM »
It's not going right yet.

You are doing something very fundamentally wrong with your pruning. You appear to be starting pruning at entirely the wrong place and then you just keep going, taking branches off until you end up with this. And THIS is not pretty to be honest.

Essentially the idea is that you start with a "big" bush/shrub and work your way back to a small tree by pruning the outer branches (and repeat as necessary). The pruning has to be based on a design (NOT mallsai) before you start.
 

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Re: Newbie Juniper Procumbens #2 (Adventures in $10 Masterpieces)
« Reply #2 on: September 16, 2010, 02:06 AM »
hi,

I dont think all is lost with this one, although as Jerry pointed out there has been some incorrect pruning, but with what you have now I would look at doing a Literati. the lower section could have some deadwood, wrap the branch with raffia, and heavy wire, then get some kinks and turns on that trunk, after that wire out the branchlets to the tip and place them.

I suggest doing a google search on literati and looking as some pictures of them to get the idea.

jamie :)
 

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Re: Newbie Juniper Procumbens #2 (Adventures in $10 Masterpieces)
« Reply #3 on: September 16, 2010, 11:58 AM »
Well the latest styling has moved the Juniper along.  I had to order some rafia & thicker wire to further wrap and bend the thickest trunk. 

 

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Re: Newbie Juniper Procumbens #2 (Adventures in $10 Masterpieces)
« Reply #4 on: September 16, 2010, 12:01 PM »
 

KimchiMonger

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Re: Newbie Juniper Procumbens #2 (Adventures in $10 Masterpieces)
« Reply #5 on: September 16, 2010, 12:04 PM »
Oh!  Thank you for the reminder John!  Very good and smart of ya.  I'm actually going to attend soon.  Sure could use some direction man! 

Again, thank you.
 

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Re: Newbie Juniper Procumbens #2 (Adventures in $10 Masterpieces)
« Reply #6 on: September 17, 2010, 01:17 AM »
thats looking better champ!

that angle also shows me that there are some woody secondary branches which can be wired now too, wire right out to the tips and than bring them down some, I will try and get a virt done for you over the next couple of days when i get time.

much much better ;)
 

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Re: Newbie Juniper Procumbens #2 (Adventures in $10 Masterpieces)
« Reply #7 on: September 19, 2010, 03:59 PM »
Sorry for the confusion on the picture angles. Not only is this my second only bonsai effort but my photo taking lacks experience too!  ???  Hehehe...

I've decided to put this specimen back on it's garden pedestal to live and grow as shown in this recent photo 9/19/10. It's had, what I'd consider, a good workout and needs time to adjust to it's new shape. In other forums, some called it flat out ugly while others said it had some potential but only over time. I like the latter opinion for sure. I'll let it be for the next six months at least.

So, so far, $10 Home Depot Juniper procumbins, a little raffia and wiring, tugging and pulling, one small break, screaming to Jesus "what have I done! Oh please let that break heal - WHAT THE HELL HAVE I DONE! ... silent ", lots of good encouragement alongside naysayers saying it's a loss, and my dedicated persistence, we've come this far in our $10 Juniper Masterpiece Adventures. I'll follow up on this and the other one in a few months.

Thanks to those of you who've contributed your viewpoints! The entire mix of opinions is what learning is all about for us beginners ya know.
 

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Re: Newbie Juniper Procumbens #2 (Adventures in $10 Masterpieces)
« Reply #8 on: September 19, 2010, 04:26 PM »
Looking forward to seeing its progress. Nice job!!We learn, we grow!!
 

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Re: Newbie Juniper Procumbens #2 (Adventures in $10 Masterpieces)
« Reply #9 on: September 19, 2010, 05:03 PM »
Dead juniper. Hack it, bend it, redo. I would expect that it has a bad root system and based on the appearance of the foliage, it was stressed at the box store before you started. Best of luck.
 

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Re: Newbie Juniper Procumbens #2 (Adventures in $10 Masterpieces)
« Reply #10 on: September 20, 2010, 04:10 AM »
hi mate,

I can see it a little clearer now, this tree is more along the lines of penjing, to go with this and what you have done, it resembles a serpent. now you just need to get that foliage sorted and placed and it will be something different!

and for $10 you cant really complain, its these sort of trees that you learn from!
 

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Re: Newbie Juniper Procumbens #2 (Adventures in $10 Masterpieces)
« Reply #11 on: October 14, 2010, 11:45 PM »
We all have had trees die. When did you repot the tree? In most cases, working with root systems is better left for spring.


Just my $.02.
 

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Re: Newbie Juniper Procumbens #2 (Adventures in $10 Masterpieces)
« Reply #12 on: October 15, 2010, 03:11 AM »
Well this was repotted and worked on late August but this thing is still alive.  Doesn't mean I'll have it thriving in the next few months but it's still alive.  I had just walked away from any further "styling" as it turned out not be my experienced forte.  If it does survive, it'll be one unconventional looking bonsai for sure.
 

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Re: Newbie Juniper Procumbens #2 (Adventures in $10 Masterpieces)
« Reply #13 on: October 15, 2010, 11:49 AM »
Nobody suggested that you stop!

This is part of the learning process. The recovery from the original pruning shows promise. The remaining foliage needs to be encouraged to grow and later the real work begins creating an attractive canopy above and around the trunk-line.
 

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Re: Newbie Juniper Procumbens #2 (Adventures in $10 Masterpieces)
« Reply #14 on: October 18, 2010, 07:39 AM »
spot on jerry!

I second everything Jerry has said ;) keep working with them mate, it will come eventually and the tree will reveal itself in good time ;)