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Judy

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Re: Need help expanding my knowledge in Bonsai
« Reply #105 on: January 11, 2014, 12:59 PM »

So I'm advocating wrong season removal from clay. The benefits have outweighed the risk in this case.


And you have decided after a whole 2 weeks that this is a beneficial thing to propose?  I think that one case isn't sufficient to base this on, and especially as the timeframe of recovery of any plant is at least one season after rootwork, sometimes more. 
Not trying to be snarky, but as you seem to want to learn things, you must actually try to learn them. Don't jump to conclusions on such a short period of time and experience...
 

John Kirby

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« Reply #106 on: January 11, 2014, 02:32 PM »
Next thing we will hear is the best soil mix for bonsai based onthree weekd of experience. But yes, I am being snarky.
 

Dan W.

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Re: Need help expanding my knowledge in Bonsai
« Reply #107 on: January 11, 2014, 02:35 PM »
I must agree with Judy. Sometimes something you do now will begin killing a tree slowly, like REALLY slowly. (Like 3 years slowly.) So two weeks during the winter is a not much in the life of a tree. Let us know how they are doing by the end of next spring and again at the end of next summer for starters. Like Judy, I don't want to discourage you. Just trying to help.
 

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« Reply #108 on: January 13, 2014, 09:40 PM »
The sumo is fine, and the seller has some fantastic logwoods I'm thinking about getting. I'm still trying to learn about neea before i try anything drastic, but from what I've read and seen from mine, i think I'd like logwood better, if anyone feels differently please let me know! Luckily, the juniper is doing well, although i lost the very top of the apex due to bending too much and snapping a branch. It survived the major surgery so far though, which I'm happy about as it was my first time bending a thick trunk in that manner, now I'm taking everyone elses advice and leaving it in the cold but not below freezing, and leaving it alone completely, I'll probably just pinch and fertilize until the spring after the upcoming spring, when I'll repot if it responds right. If i were you i would do the same, and just take the snark in stride ;) you beat the tree up pretty hard, let it recover and build resources before you work on it again!

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Re: Need help expanding my knowledge in Bonsai
« Reply #109 on: January 13, 2014, 11:33 PM »
Did I never respond to the Snarkasm!   ;D

Sorry and glad to hear about the Juniper.



















 
 

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Re: Need help expanding my knowledge in Bonsai
« Reply #110 on: January 14, 2014, 06:32 AM »
Just some thoughts....
It is generally accepted that one 'insult' to a tree is enough at a time. If this tree (yes IF) survives and does not sulk for several years you are lucky. And you will never know what you did to injure or kill it. Some trees are extremely forgiving of overworking... Some are not.
If you want something to look perfect immediately you aren't thinking of the tree. Developing Bonsai takes time. The less developed it is at the start, the longer it will take.

Just my two cents
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« Reply #111 on: January 14, 2014, 08:47 AM »
Thanks guys.

  I know this tree will take serious art and time, and likely never be a good tree.

The only immediate thing I need is a start, and I didn't really get that with this quite uninteresting tree. However, It was more educational than say, paying the same $ for a "bonsai". And I don't have the $$$ for real material.

So even though it doesn't matter if this tree lives. It most definitely will.

How come no one commented about how this tree is not even worth this effort? Do you see a future for it?

I'm thinking at least 3-10 years of thickening just the first part of taper. There is just not enough movement in the trunks.
I was hoping to find something to start building branches on, but didn't really get it.

Please stop treating this like I put this hack in a show, I'm not that guy.

If it was your tree, where would you take it? To the future, or the trash (garden)?








 

Jay

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Re: Need help expanding my knowledge in Bonsai
« Reply #112 on: January 14, 2014, 10:42 AM »
Sorce, most ant tree with time can be made into a worthwhile Bonsai. The issue is the amount of time and what it will come out to be. Time is Time. Those with longer growing seasons need somewhat less those with short growing season need more. Fertilizer, watering, sun etc also affect the time.
What it will look like after that is a function of your ability and the trees willingness to cooperate.

So... if it lives... no need to think of the trash. Think about ten, fifteen, twenty years down the road.
To my thinking, and it may only be me, buying a seedling vs buying a pre-bonsai from a Bonsai Nursery differs in the time it will take to get to being a Bonsai. The difference is not 1 or two years but often many, many years.

My two cents
Jay
 

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« Reply #113 on: January 14, 2014, 11:29 AM »
...I'll probably just pinch and fertilize until the spring after the upcoming spring, when I'll repot if it responds right..

Pinching is for refinement.  You're years from that.
 

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« Reply #114 on: January 14, 2014, 11:56 AM »
I wouldn't pinch new growth at the beginning of spring for the juniper to bud back? And leave out alone where i want longer growth?

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« Reply #115 on: January 14, 2014, 12:31 PM »
Joshua, read the back posts here. You don't pinch junipers except in final refinement. Why? Pinching induces a stress response in plants, similar to chewing insect feeding. It suppresses adventitious bud production. Grow out, prune back to wood, that stimulates bud production. But, then again, this just may be an internet rumor that needs to be resolved.
 

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« Reply #116 on: January 14, 2014, 04:28 PM »
That last part is a joke right?
 
Stop poking fun at us John Kirby!

Stored energy is the cause of back budding. At least that's the "rumor" that makes most sense to me.

When does the foliage go scale? And how do you keep it that way?

Thanks!

 

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Re: Need help expanding my knowledge in Bonsai
« Reply #117 on: January 14, 2014, 04:53 PM »
Joshua and Sorce..... there are several individuals on this Board who know what they are talking about.
Bill Valavanis has been doing Bonsai professionally for more years than you have been on this earth. He is one of a few top professionals in this country.
John Kirby has been at this for many many years. He has more knowledge than I  will probably ever have and.... he still is smart enough to take instruction ans seek advise from Boon.
These are just two of the individuals.... there are others, don't re invent the wheel. If you can learn and be guided by others do it!!!

Jay
 

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Re: Need help expanding my knowledge in Bonsai
« Reply #118 on: January 14, 2014, 10:06 PM »
John, please correct anything you feel I may represent incorrectly here.

Sorce,

Junipers get their energy from the long growth extensions. Extensions build energy into the plant and then you can cut back to wood. Pinching constantly weakens the plant, never allowing it to gain the strength/energy to back-bud or anything else.

If it's truly a scale juniper then the scale foliage develops when the plant is happy and healthy. Stress (or too much/wrong pinching) causes juvenile growth. So if the plant is creating juvenile foliage it's trying to say something... something like: I'm not happy! Help! Stop pinching!...lol
 

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Re: Need help expanding my knowledge in Bonsai
« Reply #119 on: January 15, 2014, 09:30 AM »
It just doesn't have to be too much pinching or stress Dan, it can be also from just pruning too much of the juniper at one time...speaking from experience lol