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Elliott

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juicy debate part II,
« on: March 30, 2012, 02:58 AM »
If your a bonsai teacher, how honest are you with your students with the trees they bring you? I have 2 fairly well known teachers. One will not hesitate to tell me that that is a stick in a pot, get rid of it! and the other has never said anything real negative about anything and has always tried to help me make the best out of whatever I bring him.
 As my goal is to make the best trees possible, I want to be told, "hey, that will never be top notch" or "hey, that is good for practice but you will want to put it in a club raffle eventually" or "it can be good, but you won't live long enough to see that".
 I know some people are sensitive, and some people have a better eye than others and it's also a matter of opinion sometimes, but when do you  say to someone "don't get mad, but your waisting your time with that"?
 

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Re: juicy debate part II,
« Reply #1 on: March 30, 2012, 08:01 AM »
Like just about everything in this sport I think it depends. It can be tricky to tell someone their tree sucks and will never amount to anything. With my study groupers we work on technique and improving one's eye. There are ways to point out flaws to lead them towards recognizing the limitation of their own material. I'm not particularly good at it, but I'm sure it can be done. :)

What I will teach them is the proper use of your and you're. ;)
 

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Re: juicy debate part II,
« Reply #2 on: March 30, 2012, 08:21 AM »
I happened to stop by the bonsai shop yesterday and there was a lady there who was all excited about bonsai, been doing it about a year, told me she had 20+ trees, yada, yada, yada... 

She was there to get a grafted white pine repotted.  The candles had extended out as much as two inches, so I taught her a little about pinching back to balance the growth.  The tree was an established bonsai that had been neglected by it's former owner... allowed to get leggy and all.  We discussed  what needed to be done in the future...

Anyway, I had to keep biting my tongue because this lady really had no idea of "bonsai", she just was happy with "trees in a pot". and she was a good customer of the shop owner, and I certainly didn't want to curb her enthusiasm.  When she had difficulty understanding what I meant about a "domed apex" for her white pine, I found some copies of "International Bonsai" magazine, and showed her pictures.  Apparantly, it was the first time she had ever looked at photos of bonsai!

I hope I at least got her thinking that bonsai is more than a potted tree!

Meanwhile, I bought a JBP that had been intended to be a Japanese garden tree.  It was about 8 feet tall.  It has great low trunk taper, about 6 inches across.  We chopped it.  I'll start a thread on it soon.  (Sorry Matsu, I did not take a photo of the pre-chop.  Should have.  But it DID happen.  The lady I had helped with her white pine about passed out!  LOL!!!)
 

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Re: juicy debate part II,
« Reply #3 on: March 30, 2012, 10:27 AM »
What I will teach them is the proper use of your and you're. ;)
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Re: juicy debate part II,
« Reply #4 on: March 30, 2012, 12:30 PM »
Matsu
 Sorry, I'm a product of the L.A. county public school system. No English teacher ever told me my spelling sucked and I should get rid of it. I have been wasting my time ever since. Yuur point is taken, besides, uoo should see what these rants I put up look like before spellcheck.
 

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Re: juicy debate part II,
« Reply #5 on: March 30, 2012, 01:35 PM »
I grew up in Kentucky. Your point is invalid. :)
 

Elliott

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Re: juicy debate part II,
« Reply #6 on: March 30, 2012, 04:26 PM »
Matsu
Again, I stand corrected. I had to live in a tiny town called Clinton in south/east N. Carolina for 6 horrible months. If it was not for me, there would not have been 16 teeth in that whole town. My bumper sticker said "North Carolina, first in flight, last in test scores" LOL!
 Anyways, lets get back on topic and I know there are some tarheels that got butthurt over the N.C. Joke. I apologise! Please go back to eating corn through a picket fence ;)
 

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Re: juicy debate part II,
« Reply #7 on: March 30, 2012, 11:32 PM »
Most people with a modicum of intelligence know exactly when they purchase a marginal piece of material.

The only thing that solves that problem is money. Do you really need to pay someone to tell you you're working on less than desirable material?
 

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Re: juicy debate part II,
« Reply #8 on: March 31, 2012, 12:41 AM »
Al don't worry, I would never pay you for advice, but thanks for making me giggle.
 

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Re: juicy debate part II,
« Reply #9 on: March 31, 2012, 12:52 AM »
I want my instructor to be bluntly honest with me too, as well as discuss WHY this or that needs to be done now or later on.  He's pretty good about point 1, I have to ask sometimes to get to point 2 lol 
 

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Re: juicy debate part II,
« Reply #10 on: March 31, 2012, 01:20 AM »
Al don't worry, I would never pay you for advice, but thanks for making me giggle.

Your loss....
 

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Re: juicy debate part II,
« Reply #11 on: March 31, 2012, 04:25 AM »
 ;D even harder! Pretty soon Leno is gonna hire yuu to write for him.
 

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Re: juicy debate part II,
« Reply #12 on: March 31, 2012, 11:12 AM »
Most people with a modicum of intelligence know exactly when they purchase a marginal piece of material.

The only thing that solves that problem is money. Do you really need to pay someone to tell you you're working on less than desirable material?

A modicum of intelligence and an artistic eye dont always go hand in hand.
 

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Re: juicy debate part II,
« Reply #13 on: April 01, 2012, 06:15 AM »
Al, no respect from this bunch of whipper snappers. Us White Haired guys have got to stick together. Let's sart adding a second thing that we leave out of key descriptions of getting special techniques done.....
 

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Re: juicy debate part II,
« Reply #14 on: April 01, 2012, 08:34 AM »
Al, no respect from this bunch of whipper snappers. Us White Haired guys have got to stick together. Let's sart adding a second thing that we leave out of key descriptions of getting special techniques done.....

Hey now, how is it that I re-attach that branch to the trunk again???

some of us are listening!!!! :)