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General Category => General Bonsai Discussion => Topic started by: DorianJF on December 13, 2014, 10:58 AM

Title: Japanese Maple identification
Post by: DorianJF on December 13, 2014, 10:58 AM
Hi

I have just purchased a Japanese Maple from a nursery because I could get it at a unbelievable price.

My plans are to grow it out and then in a few years start air layering the branches for bonsai.

My question though is that I would like to know if my identification on this tree is correct.

I am thinking it is Acer Palmatum Dissectum.

Either the "Crimson Queen" or the "Inaba Shidare" or the "Red Filigree Lace"

Your thoughts?
Title: Re: Japanese Maple identification
Post by: Owen Reich on December 13, 2014, 04:47 PM
It is not 'Filigree'.  Looks like A. palmatum 'Inaba Shidare'.  'Crimson Queen' and 'Garnet' also look similar.  Many others do as well.....

Sometimes the only way to distinguish young grafted plants is to monitor their growth rate. 'Garnet' grows slower than 'Crimson Queen' for example.  This may be more work than you want to undertake, but you could find out what cultivars wholesale growers produce or where it was imported from.  'Crimson Queen' comes originally from America.  'Inaba Shidare' is an old cultivar from Japan but has spread all over the place. 
Title: Re: Japanese Maple identification
Post by: DorianJF on December 13, 2014, 11:09 PM
Thanks Owen. Unfortunately the nursery where I got it are actually fairly clueless on most things and not a very good nursery at all. I was just in the area and by chance walked in there.
Title: Re: Japanese Maple identification
Post by: DorianJF on December 14, 2014, 02:05 AM
But thanks for the information.
Title: Re: Japanese Maple identification
Post by: DorianJF on December 14, 2014, 04:11 AM
Now the other question...

Does this type of maples work well for bonsai?
Title: Re: Japanese Maple identification
Post by: Sorce on December 14, 2014, 05:48 AM
If I see these, rarely, they are burnt to a crisp. And we are relatively humid.

Out there, you probably need a heavy shade cloth for most of the day.
It looks good though.!

You might be able to grow some of the understock too.

Owen, do you know what that might be grafted to?

Sorce
Title: Re: Japanese Maple identification
Post by: DorianJF on December 14, 2014, 10:29 AM
If I see these, rarely, they are burnt to a crisp. And we are relatively humid.
Spot on with that.  It is one of the reasons why I got this tree so cheaply. I told them that the tree is dying because of the burnt leaves and that I will only take it cheaply.  ::)

I planted it in a shady area so I will see how that goes. 
Title: Re: Japanese Maple identification
Post by: jlushious on December 14, 2014, 11:58 AM
They grow quite slowly, they also don't grow well on their own roots - almost all of them are grafted to some kind of stronger jap maple understock.

I have tried air layering these a lot when I was out in a 7b zone with not an ounce of luck (although maybe it's just me?). They do definitely dry out quickly in windy areas so a good idea to give them some extra babying. I have seen a few nice examples,  but usually they are on the larger side of bonsai - over 2 feet or so (not sure if this is because leaves don't reduce or what), mine is so slow now that I am out in the prairies (and in fact there is a good chance it's dying as we speak!).

Good luck with it, they are a really beautiful variety!
Title: Re: Japanese Maple identification
Post by: DorianJF on December 14, 2014, 01:17 PM
Thanks Jodi.

Yes this has been grafted onto another stem so hopefully that will keep it going. I am going to be leaving this tree for quite a few years as it is really nothing to brag about right now. I did buy it for the sole purpose of letting it grow bigger for air layering trials. And If that does not work then I hopefully still have a nice maple tree in my garden.
Title: Re: Japanese Maple identification
Post by: jlushious on December 14, 2014, 06:27 PM
If it has a bad graft scar or noticeable graft, but you want to keep it on the strong root stock, then there are some people who have ground layered these types of species really close to the graft scar - like RIGHT below it - so still on the root stock but the scar ends up  being low enough that it's not noticeable. I have not done it, but had seen it done somewhere in my internet travels (of course I can't remember where now....)