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General Category => General Bonsai Discussion => Topic started by: MatsuBonsai on October 29, 2010, 11:39 AM

Title: Interesting displays
Post by: MatsuBonsai on October 29, 2010, 11:39 AM
While we're on the subject of interesting (and perhaps out of the norm) displays, Jonas has posted something interesting on his blog:

http://bonsaitonight.com/2010/10/29/accenting-bonsai/ (http://bonsaitonight.com/2010/10/29/accenting-bonsai/)

The Redwood display at the bottom caught my eye.  I wish I knew more about it.

Thoughts?  Opinions?  Does it work?  Does it matter?
Title: Re: Interesting displays
Post by: bwaynef on October 29, 2010, 12:57 PM
I for the life of me can't decide the theme of the display.  I've got a few ideas, but none of them account for all the parts of the display.  Maybe I need to savor this one a little while longer.
Title: Re: Interesting displays
Post by: mcpesq817 on October 29, 2010, 01:00 PM
Interesting display, though I got turned off by what look like grease stains on the table cloth from the potato chips  :-X 

I'm always a fan of good beer though  ;D
Title: Re: Interesting displays
Post by: bwaynef on October 29, 2010, 01:00 PM
Is that some sort of flat-screen stand?
Title: Re: Interesting displays
Post by: rockm on October 29, 2010, 01:37 PM
It works, but in a jokey, hokey kind of way (which isn't necessarily a bad thing). It's also an inside joke for bonsaiists, probably a lot like the arcane, obtuse stuff used in traditional Japanese display that only a small percentage of Japanese understand...
Title: Re: Interesting displays
Post by: shimsuki on October 29, 2010, 06:06 PM
It's interesting,
But I am not a fan. I know that it is a joke, but I would be a bit embarrassed if my club allowed that to be displayed. The most rebellious we get in St. Louis is a small gnome figure traveling around our show at our Japanese Festival, which is a bonsai show for non bonsai people.

Interesting, but not my taste!

Andrew
Title: Re: Interesting displays
Post by: John Kirby on October 29, 2010, 08:35 PM
Shim, read Mike's book and think about it.may be the elementa re all there, maybe the artist is pulling your leg. Look at Nick Lenz's stuff. I generally prefer more traditinal displays, but can enjoy these too.  Just a thought.
Title: Re: Interesting displays
Post by: shimsuki on October 30, 2010, 12:03 PM
I have read it, and if I am correct you are referring to the part where his master told him , (I am paraphrasing for what I remember, the book is at home so I cant look it up directly) to come back and do bonsai in an American way.

I guess I should rephrase my last post and say that I prefer to be in a traditional club, but I am a fan of modern concepts, like the shohin display that one best shohin display at Bill's international show. I thought the modern stand was really cool.

I guess I will express what I have in my mind with a comparison. "I was walking through an art exhibit and I saw this piece I wasn't a fan of." It doesn't mean that it's wrong, just not for me. I thought everything else in that display was a distraction from the thing that should be emphasized most, that beautiful Redwood.

Andrew
Title: Re: Interesting displays
Post by: John Kirby on October 30, 2010, 01:08 PM
Yep, not my cup of tea either really, but Idon't "get" most Picasso paintings either. Good to see some folks trying some things.
Title: Re: Interesting displays
Post by: Peter Tea on October 31, 2010, 07:12 PM
Having seen the display in person, I believe that the person is trying to tell a story about his life.  Unfortunately the display is telling a little bit too much.  Subtly is needed.  It make me feel a little dumb looking at the display because the artist decided that they have to tell me exactly what I need to get out of the display.

I always appreciate a good joke in display and having fun with them.  I am open minded to anything new in bonsai, but only with the intent of improving the art. Having met the artist though, I know that his intent was not a joke, but believe he seriously thinks there's something meaningful about it.  Perhaps to him, but to no one else.

Just my opinion.  Sorry in advance. ;o)

Title: Re: Interesting displays
Post by: Marc on November 01, 2010, 08:10 PM
It seems that some people are clamoring for western display with Bonsai. Okay, but put some thought into it please!
Most look like a scavenger hunt gone wrong, this one too. The Bonsai is lost in trying to sort out this jumble. For those who do not want to be bound by Japanese "rules",...how about common sense? Greasy snacks laid out on cloth? So its important to be different, NOT better? In the end , I think the question should be asked, does this elevate the Art of Bonsai? Well, maybe for a naturalistic cult member who believes that the highest expression is an ugly expression.

Marc
Title: Re: Interesting displays
Post by: Grog on November 02, 2010, 01:47 AM
Probably due to my noobiness but this display works for me because it's one of the few times I actually notice anything besides the tree.  The displays that I've seen posted of what are regarded as very fine works hold no greater attention for me than ones that people say are absolute failures.  I don't notice or particularly care about the scroll/picture/rock/dandelion in a pot/haiku that I can't read in almost any display I've ever seen, my eye just goes straight to the tree.  This is an exception, it makes me look at something besides the tree.  Not to disparage formal display in any way, just my perspective.
Title: Re: Interesting displays
Post by: majohnson on November 04, 2010, 12:04 AM
John,

That white panel is vented aluminum piece, the two tabs lock in the bottom and then clips into the top. There is another picture that showes more detail of the back. The remote has nothing to do with the stand.

It wouldn't be that hard to replicate, or make something that you prefer.

Title: Re: Interesting displays
Post by: akeppler on November 04, 2010, 12:16 AM
First you have to know Tim Kong.

Then the piece is understandable.
Title: Re: Interesting displays
Post by: JJR on November 04, 2010, 06:06 PM
You shouldn't have to know the person who created a display in order to understand it...

This looks like a coffee table after a night with the guys where someone just happened to stick a bonsai.  I think this is very disrespectful to the bonsai.  Call it modern or whatever you want,  I call it garbage.  Being different just to be different does not make a good display.  I feel this display tells me that the artist cares very little for his bonsai and more about being different...
Title: Re: Interesting displays
Post by: akeppler on November 04, 2010, 08:01 PM
Pretty uppity crowd here.

Does anyone watch Saturday night live?

Anyone know what satire is?

This display is satire at it's finest.

Tim has been to my house and worked before. I asked him about cut paste once. He told me "spit work just as well". This is a poke in the eye for American would be displayers. Just the fact that many here don't get it is exactly what this piece is trying to tell you.
YOU DON"T GET IT!


So stop trying in the name of art if you don't know what the hell your doing.

The greasy potato chips is classic American. Genius if you ask me......reminds me of a display I saw posted here recently in the Carolina's.
Title: Re: Interesting displays
Post by: John Kirby on November 05, 2010, 08:34 AM
Nah, not uppity, just blunt. Just like you, gives everyone to have an opinion. It is like the dung art that was so controversial when King George was in the White House- split 50-50- some said it was art, some just felt it was crap. That is beauty of it all. John
Title: Re: Interesting displays
Post by: MatsuBonsai on November 05, 2010, 11:28 AM
Well, it is a discussion forum, after all.  Not everyone is going to like everything, nor should they.  Would make for a rather boring discussion.

I've seen Tim's stuff before in person and on the web.  It's (usually) very well done.  I'm not sure if I necessarily "like" this display, but can certainly appreciate that it was well done.  When John Kirby pointed out that all the elements were there that really made it click for me, at least.

However, I still think it's the tiniest bit too busy, for my taste.  And the oil on the table/chips make me regret some of my dietary choices.  :)
Title: Re: Interesting displays
Post by: rockm on November 05, 2010, 11:34 AM
The more I look at it, the more I like it. It could be called "Irony in Juniper" Each item has obviously been carefully chosen, from the book "White House Connection" (and the photo that peaks our from underneath it, to the beer ("Bohemian" naturally) to the TV-like display stand and the remote.

It's kind of busy and kitschy, but hey, that's what it aims for. I'd take honest American kitsch over pretentious Western use of arcane Japanese idiogrammed scrolls anyday...
Title: Re: Interesting displays
Post by: Larry Gockley on November 05, 2010, 11:54 AM
I don't care for it at all, but if we insist on calling bonsai an art form, as I believe it is,  we open the door for types of expression like this. We don't need to always like it, but is not art, by definition, a form of expression?  Some would say, expression yes, but within certain guidelines. Those guidelines can be fuzzy at times. Larry
Title: Re: Interesting displays
Post by: fibonaccifemme on November 14, 2010, 10:11 PM
Larry, yours is an erudite description of art. It's true, we must often hold our tongues while another's eye beholds it's version of beauty (or humor).
J Michael