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bonsaidad

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I need help for my first JBP
« on: June 30, 2009, 10:39 PM »
This is my first JBP and would like to know how to trim it to help back budding and at the same time start styling. Some reason I just cant read a book or an article and understand what to do. I hope some one with patents can advise me.
 

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Re: I need help for my first JBP
« Reply #1 on: July 01, 2009, 08:23 AM »
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Re: I need help for my first JBP
« Reply #2 on: July 01, 2009, 08:37 AM »
bonsaidad,

Welcome to the BSG.  First, you need to decide what size tree you would like: small, medium, large, etc.  This will have some impact on the next steps to be taken.  You will need to introduce some movement into this one as it will likely not make a convincing formal upright.  You will need to feed it aggressively and time your pruning to help induce back budding.

For pine growth (and most other trees as well) you will seldom want more than two shoots at any one spot.  That will likely mean that you will need to remove one of the main "branches" and thin out any remaining shoots greater than two towards the top at some point.

Chris has some great articles (here and here) on how to develop a smaller bonsai with seedlings. 
 

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Re: I need help for my first JBP
« Reply #3 on: July 01, 2009, 11:21 AM »
Thank you for your reply, I would like to grow my tree to medum size 24 to 36 inches, I have started feeding my tree a timed release furtlizer (OSMOTE), I will reduce the branching to two branches taking out the center back and will try to wire to establish movement. however what do you mean by reducing to two shoots? Cut back the needles? Thanks  for the start.
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Re: I need help for my first JBP
« Reply #4 on: July 01, 2009, 11:39 AM »
I believe by shoots he meant branches.

Regarding this tree's future @ 24-36", a general rule that we aim for about 50-60% of the time is having a trunk girth 1/6th the height of a tree.  Bonsai by the numbers can be a little boring so I try to stay away from recommending that, but just for some perspective, @ the height you mention you'll need a trunk 4-6" thick.  That will take a considerable amount of time.  If having a JBP @ 24-36" is something you'd like, I'd suggest getting different material to start with so that you can actually start learning the art & CRAFT of bonsai.  You're in for MOSTLY a waiting game.  (That's not to say that your tree, left to grow on its own devices, would turn into usable material through your patience w/o you imposing your will on it, ...but for the most part you're waiting on it to grow pretty significantly so you can cut it back down ....just to let it grow out pretty significantly so you can cut it back down....)

Even @ 10:1 (height:width), 2½-3½" will take a while.  Are you prepared to wait 15-25 years?

I suggest you read up on the links provided you earlier and at Evergreen Gardenworks.  Brent, EG.G's proprietor, is a wealth of knowledge and has written extensively on growing JBP from rough stock.  
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Re: I need help for my first JBP
« Reply #5 on: July 01, 2009, 12:09 PM »
Welcome, bonsaidad!
Here are a couple of articles I wrote about JBP seedlings. They started a bit younger than yours but it's not to late to do some things. Just keep in mind that the trees I was working on were bound to be shohin, much smaller than what you want, and that they were all doing great until I moved to Pavement Ends, where I have had one disaster after another befall them.
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Re: I need help for my first JBP
« Reply #6 on: July 01, 2009, 04:46 PM »
I got this tree from bonsai ect instead of brent his waiting list is very long. First thank you for the welcome. I have read
some on pines but just cant get the hang of the trimming info from the books and articles, Info just dont go to the head like it used to. If with this tree I wish to change to a shohin so not to waste a perfectly good JBP maybe your articles will help but if not I will be asking more questions. Thanks again.
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Re: I need help for my first JBP
« Reply #7 on: July 03, 2009, 11:47 AM »
I got this tree from bonsai ect instead of brent his waiting list is very long. First thank you for the welcome. I have read
some on pines but just cant get the hang of the trimming info from the books and articles, Info just dont go to the head like it used to. If with this tree I wish to change to a shohin so not to waste a perfectly good JBP maybe your articles will help but if not I will be asking more questions. Thanks again.
Bonsaidad

Dad, don't worry. The reason you are confused is not your problem, it's the nature of the material out there. The Pines book by Stone Lantern is full of seemingly contradictory articles, but they aren't contradictory, they simply assume a great deal of knowledge to know what perspective they are lending.

The primary focus for this tree is developing the trunk. There isn't any low budding on this tree, which you may be able to force in the future, but there's not much interest in the trunk you have, so we have to develop that. Were this my tree, I would probably wire the trunk and try to put some natural bends to try to develop a slender-trunked literati. The problem is, it's difficult to make them look really natural. Literati is best accomplished with nature's bends.

For excellent information about building trunks on JBP, check out Brent Walston's blog, especially Pines.

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Re: I need help for my first JBP
« Reply #8 on: July 03, 2009, 11:55 AM »
Thanks Chris I will start reading brent's articles on pines and try to put some movement in the trunk.

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Re: I need help for my first JBP
« Reply #9 on: July 03, 2009, 02:53 PM »
I recommend wiring in late winter, in your case, probably March.

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Re: I need help for my first JBP
« Reply #10 on: July 04, 2009, 12:27 AM »
Much of the info Im getting might change soon I will be moving to centeral Flordia before winter. I was told by a member of the Orlando Bonsai Club that you can raise JBP there.

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