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Jay

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Hinoki - my tree, your thoughts
« on: February 26, 2016, 11:02 AM »
Here is a little Hinoki I've been working on for a few years. It's been in this pot since 2014 and I'm thinking of a repot.
What are your thoughts as  to the pot (this one is a Walsall Studio England) that it is in. Thought it would be a good topic for those interested.
This pot is an oval 8x6x2 inches. The tree stands 9 inches over the pot and the canopy is 12 inches wide by 8 inches deep.
Please give any thoughts not just on a pot.....
Presently it is in winter storage in my cold room.....
Jay
 

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Re: Hinoki - my tree, your thoughts
« Reply #1 on: February 26, 2016, 11:17 AM »
Hinoki care is a mystery to me.  Weigh that nugget against what I'm going to tell you and proceed as is best for the tree.

I don't like the planting angle.  The roots suggest it was tilted to the right (as evidenced by the strong root on the left being exposed a bit.)  I'd tilt it back to the left until the nebari is more even, then plant it a bit deeper so that the hint of nebari is given w/o seeing all of those near-identically-sized roots that don't seem to branch.

The two main branches, though they don't come off the trunk at the same place, occupy the same visual line across the tree.  I'd be tempted to guy wire the branches in a downward angle.  That might open them to more light as well ...but with the tree being a hinoki, I doubt you'll get additional backbudding.

Did any of that make sense?  What do you think?
 

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Re: Hinoki - my tree, your thoughts
« Reply #2 on: February 26, 2016, 01:01 PM »
Thank you.... Yes,you make sense. It is amazing how different the tree look in person. You can see from the aerial view it is fairly full. The two pics from the front don't show it well. Must be the ability/quality of the photographer.

You thoughts are well taken, tilting it more upright is a possibility. As is lowering the tree into the pot. The possible issue might be that when and if I tilt it back up the two branches will be even more on one plane... And bending that branch lower could be an issue... But your points are valid.

May need a deeper pot, don't know if this pot will allow for the deeper potting. Will see when it gets repotted probably late March or so......
Jay
 

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Re: Hinoki - my tree, your thoughts
« Reply #3 on: March 04, 2016, 05:18 AM »
Hi Jay.

I do not think that pot will allow for potting it any deeper so a new pot may be the way to go.

Hinoki care is just as much a mystery to me too so I cannot give advice on that.  But I have to agree with BWayne on that root being exposed.  By the looks of things it seems to be crossing slightly over another root?  Am I correct?

Would it not be possible to remove that root?  What does it look like from the other side. 

I did 2 pics where I removed the root.  Thoughts
 

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Re: Hinoki - my tree, your thoughts
« Reply #4 on: March 04, 2016, 03:33 PM »
Thank you both for your thoughts. I am re potting this tree today. Not into it's final home but into a deeper pot for the next couple of years that is available. I will be tilting it up some and will be dealing with what appears to be crossing or root over root as seen on the right in the pixs.
If I can I will try and send a pix of the change. Thank you both again.
J
 

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Re: Hinoki - my tree, your thoughts
« Reply #5 on: March 05, 2016, 03:49 AM »
I never understood Chamaecyparis Obtusa. I like them very much however. I'm puzzled about the way it grows and how it's pruned. I've one Pisifera Boulevard in the ground in my garden. Don't know what to do with that either.
 

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Re: Hinoki - my tree, your thoughts
« Reply #6 on: March 06, 2016, 01:53 AM »
   I repot my hinoki in spring to early summer here. Once the tips of the foliage turn that beautiful green.
 Hinoki cypress don't backbud on old wood. Meaning foliage is at a premium. Choose specimens with foliage close to the trunk.
 Thinning foliage helps to keep the inner foliage healthy allowing sunlight in.
 They drink the water but don't like having their roots sit in water. It's best to water them in the morning ,early afternoon.
 Full sun. As much as you can give them.
  Small branches break off easily. Take care when wiring.
  Keep out of drying winds.
 Cold vardy. I live in zone 4. I put them on a bed of straw. Cover up the pit with straw all the way up to the first branches. Let snow cover them up completely and not worry about them until spring. That's how I winter all of my trees.
 

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Re: Hinoki - my tree, your thoughts
« Reply #7 on: March 14, 2016, 10:50 AM »
Probably to late to act on, but maybe not. Instead of pulling both branches down, pull only one down, and wire one up. And I would use wire on the branches, rather than guy wires. You need more than just 2 main branches. Pick one to act more like a trunk, then let one of the branches on the one chosen as trunk grow and thicken. Give it a more tiered look. Developing at least one or two more tiers of branches will suggest a larger older tree. Right now you essentially have 2 blobs of foliage that merge to a single lump of green.

But the tree does have lots of foliage, which is good, the trunk has taper, though the transition just before the 2 main branches is a bit abrupt, looks a bit like it was grafted. This will smooth out with time. It has nice bark, and overall looks healthy. So this tree has a lot going for it.

As for a pot, the one used is okay, not a bad pot choice. The rim, and feet of the oval are too dainty, fine or feminine. I personally would like a slightly more masculine pot, I would even consider a rectangular pot. If you stay with an oval, perhaps one with a more pronounced rim. My personal taste would be a clay color that contrasts the trunk, and maybe highlights the foliage. There are those that will tell you to match or stay in the color shades of the trunk, which is probably more "text book", but I prefer a contrasting color to allow the trunk to "pop". There are some gray clay Tokoname pots, if you see a gray with a greenish cast to it, it might compliment the foliage well. Or there are some other colors out there. If you go with terra cotta colors, I would choose a darker brown. This current pot is too light and a touch too pinkish. You need to ground the image, the light color floats the image.

It may look full in person, which is good. But when exhibited, the photos you took for this thread is the level all judges and serious folk will critique the tree from. That is why we should all photograph our trees, for our own evaluation of our trees. When I just look at my own, I know I have the tendency to see what it could be, and not really see the actual tree in front of me. The idea of the tree in my own mind, clouds my ability to see the actual tree. In exhibits the viewer won't have the advantage of knowing your 'idea' for the tree.