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Gaffer

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.herman and John in general discussion on soil comp.
« on: March 25, 2014, 12:27 PM »
To Herman and John
I was responding to your conversation about soil composition, lost the thread and can't get back so i came to the conclusion you are both right. SA is very dry and beautiful so with that I think you have to and organics in order not to have to water 2 or3 times a day. In coneticut it rains every three days so you need a drier mix. It sounds like either or it works for both of you. Herman don't come to a gun fight with a knife. It's an American forum and you can't win believe me I have tried bud. By the way Pheonix is a desert town with little or no water. When it finally runs out (water),they will just invade Canada and bobs your uncle. Just kidding, and don't be so hard to get along with.
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Re: .herman and John in general discussion on soil comp.
« Reply #1 on: March 25, 2014, 01:52 PM »
Huh? Herman uses his clinkers and maybe an odd Diamond (you know they have Diamonds every where in South Africa) to make his version of potting medium.
Gaffer, I think the constant rain and recent approval of recreational Marijuana Laws in your state has led to an addled response. Lay down, take a nap and keep a load of Pringles around. Just sayin.

 

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« Reply #2 on: March 25, 2014, 05:32 PM »
Right. No copper, but diamonds soil.  ???
And we use "clinkers" as fertilizers  ;D

I beleive it is clusters of branches. The thread.

Short on water. A lot of Meth. Ice = diamonds. Soil discussion. :-X

Full circle again! Lol  :P

With more snow today, we are almost breaking a record from the 1800's here.
They could have refilled the Colorado River with it. How much does it cost to ship a pallet of ice........Dam. Beaverdori. Turkoons in Sombreros.  :'(
 

Herman

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Re: .herman and John in general discussion on soil comp.
« Reply #3 on: March 26, 2014, 03:12 AM »
I am hard to get along with?   ??? why do you think that?

haha mr Kirby...i send you diamonds you send me trees? :P

ps. mr Kirby advice on a more modern substrate has helped me forward in huge bounds...I just need to experiment a bit more with the materials i can get. I'm not phased, neither do i get mad when the guys preach pumice, akadama, lava or turface, and "urge" me to use it, because i cannot get those materials...its like trying to drain blood from a rock...not going to happen...it did teach me to go do research into different components so that i can at least create the most optimum mix with the materials i have access to. that I have done and as i've mentioned, the new mix kicks the old mix's arse...is there room for improvement? always! I'm but using version 1 of my experimental mix for one growing season now...

Ive found the english for clinkers.... its slag from brick baking ovens :) ps scorce, a lot of people here use composted horse dung for mulch/fertilizer/soil components  :D

sincere best regards
Herman


 

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Re: .herman and John in general discussion on soil comp.
« Reply #4 on: March 26, 2014, 09:28 PM »
So Herman
Why do you start your own industry and start importing these products to SA and then bobs your uncle. You will be rich.
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Re: .herman and John in general discussion on soil comp.
« Reply #5 on: March 27, 2014, 12:44 AM »
a few reasons...

Imagine a country full off harder headed guys  ;) Import costs as our currency is nose diving, lack of capital, I will never get rich from selling these...as i know almost all of the people that deals in bonsai. Not one of them are rich (one actually gave up auctioned everything and moved to Scotland to work as a boilermaker again). No Bob sorry Bud

you still haven't told me why you think I'm hard to get along with?

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Re: .herman and John in general discussion on soil comp.
« Reply #6 on: March 27, 2014, 11:06 PM »
No no your not so hard to get along with Atall. That is just a North American saying. Besides John your absolutely right,
with the legalization of the herb out here I

can't remember what my point was.
Peace love fluffy clouds
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Re: .herman and John in general discussion on soil comp.
« Reply #7 on: March 28, 2014, 01:51 AM »
o wei lol
 

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Re: .herman and John in general discussion on soil comp.
« Reply #8 on: March 28, 2014, 09:34 AM »
With all due respect this is the wrong place to make repeated references to cannabis and other non-bonsai related conversation. The beauty and attraction of this site is the no nonsense and mature discussion of bonsai and we are fortunate to have professional and expert participation.

I have found on other forums that when things go off point the experts tend stop participating. this is such a great resource. I hope I don't offend anyone.

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Re: .herman and John in general discussion on soil comp.
« Reply #9 on: March 28, 2014, 09:56 PM »
I agree Augustine.

I hope I haven't offended anyone with my many recent raccoonish posts.

However, I don't think there is a pro on here who hasn't expressed an excellent sense of humor.

It's been so long since I've seen another forum...

Glad to know all you folks.!

I like to think this is a worldwide forum. Maybe farther. Bonsai Outer Space?

What if you can send a tree to Saturn amd back? Will it age faster? ;) ;D
 

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Re: .herman and John in general discussion on soil comp.
« Reply #10 on: April 01, 2014, 03:33 AM »
With all due respect this is the wrong place to make repeated references to cannabis and other non-bonsai related conversation. The beauty and attraction of this site is the no nonsense and mature discussion of bonsai and we are fortunate to have professional and expert participation.

I have found on other forums that when things go off point the experts tend stop participating. this is such a great resource. I hope I don't offend anyone.

Thanks

Augustine

Augustine

I don't think that this thread was ever about one thing in particular... all my posts were related to bonsai and i think the thread as a whole is centred around bonsai. Cannabis was referenced twice, but why make such a big deal out of it? don't you think you over reacted a bit ? just saying.... that maybe those that upset you so just needed to blow off some steam by using humour. It's not as if every day life is very serious  :-\ why bring that seriousness here and create a environment where we feel like we will be rapped on the knuckles if we make a joke.. a joke is a joke, if it doesn't apply to you or you don't find it funny ignore it. I'm dead sure  the pro's aren't phased or offended by our goofing around, and I'm also sure that the references to cannabis was made in jest. no harm no foul

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Re: .herman and John in general discussion on soil comp.
« Reply #11 on: April 02, 2014, 10:29 PM »
I got a way out!!! Just make a bonsai cannabis plant and then we can crack jokes about it right? Loophole found...
 

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Re: .herman and John in general discussion on soil comp.
« Reply #12 on: April 11, 2014, 05:43 AM »
Hi guys,

Jokes aside now... I've been researching the soil penjing masters use...I came up with information that would curdle bonsai peoples blood... there were mixes like:
1/5 clay soil
1/5 river sand
1/5 compost
1/5 baked clay
1/5 charcoal

half mountain dirt half river sand

fertilized garden soil
compost
river sand


nowhere was a sieve ever mentioned :O

then I found they use shallow pots without drainage holes...

I saw black pine, white pine, plum, cherry, budist pines... a whole host of different species.


how do you guys think they manage to keep a white pine healthy with such compactable water retentive soils?

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Herman
 

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Re: .herman and John in general discussion on soil comp.
« Reply #13 on: April 11, 2014, 07:09 AM »
Herman,

on this side, the taught agricultural mix is an approximation of a loam = sand - rotting stone - clay. About a dozen boxwoods were purchased and the trick was to get rid of that mix without killing the shrubs. Accidentally discovered was the effect compost had on the mix.It made the soil bead up and drain well, but you have to keep putting compost in ever so often,

Seems to to be a copying of what happens in the ground / fields.

Thus far, it may be that a simple mix of rounded gravel [ seen as the plastic coated stuff for aquariums from China ] and compost will grow anything, drain well and retain moisture.

So now the bonsai are growing in turquoise and or black gravel with compost, also seen is bright orange, but the line was drawn at shocking pink - ha ha ha

The real secret seems to be watering, how and when.
Good Day.
Anthony

The Hackberrys and Gingko are out of the refrigerator and budding well, there are also 4 apple trees some where in the batch as well.

Ah to be returning home ....................................
 

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Re: .herman and John in general discussion on soil comp.
« Reply #14 on: April 11, 2014, 09:36 AM »
hi Anthony,

why would you put the hackberries in the fridge? over here in our more tropical areas they are evergreens, so i don't see a reason that they could't cope with the heat or non resting period. Glad they are budding out though :)

as to your reply about the soil: you still mention drain well....the mix I am reading about for Penjing is super water retentive with very fine materials that compacts very easily, not really a medium that drains well at all:? btw I am talking about shumo penjing aka (bonsai penjing). though i really doubt that they dont have any drainage holes in their pots.

i got thinking about this when my White pine from China recovered from its overwatering received at the nursery i bought it from. It is in a very fine clay like compacted soil mix that takes about 30 seconds to drain into the soil and another 30 seconds for the water to start draining out of the draining holes

not only the watering Anthony I think the whole approach must be different, but Yes I think watering is probably the biggest thing when dealing with this kind of soil mix


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Herman