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Title: Ficus Burtt-Davyi - Aerial Roots and styling?
Post by: DorianJF on November 26, 2014, 02:14 AM
Hi All

I have a 2003 Ficus Burtt-Davyi.

When I received it from my father-in-law very little styling had been done on the tree and the branches were growing all over the place.

I did some cutting on it in 2013 just to get a more constant shape and have not done much with it since.  As this is a species that very easily allows for aerial roots to grow, I would very much like to attempt this with this tree.

My question is this.  Should I start now on trying to get aerial roots growing or should I rather style the tree more and let it grow for a few years and do some more styling before I proceed.

Your thoughts?
 
Images are before cutting in 2013
Title: Re: Ficus Burtt-Davyi - Aerial Roots?
Post by: DorianJF on November 26, 2014, 02:19 AM
The following is after cutting some of the branches 2014.

These images were taken today.

Front, Back and top

I do want to wire the long branch that I have circled and move it to close the gap.
Title: Re: Ficus Burtt-Davyi - Aerial Roots and styling?
Post by: Sorce on November 26, 2014, 05:20 AM
First off, thanks for sharing all these.

I think those 2 straight long branches should get whacked back to the trunk.
Too straight and out of balance.
You should be able to get something nice and new to grow in there.

Also,that's a lot of figs!
Removing them before they start will keep more energy for development of tree.

More roots, aerial or otherwise, will help your growth.
I'd try to start em now.
If you rooted those cuttings you could use them to find a good way to develop aerials on the specimen.

Thanks again for Sharing

Sorce
Title: Re: Ficus Burtt-Davyi - Aerial Roots and styling?
Post by: DorianJF on November 26, 2014, 08:57 AM
Hi Sorce

Thanks for the information.

Absolutely right on the amount of figs.  One tends to forget how much energy of the tree they use.  I have been looking at the tree going that looks nice to see the figs not thinking how much better it would be without them for the tree.  So they have been cut off.

I am worried about cutting those 2 branches off right down to the stump and that will leave a considerable gap on the on side of the tree
Title: Re: Ficus Burtt-Davyi - Aerial Roots and styling?
Post by: J.Kent on November 26, 2014, 09:04 AM
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I am worried about cutting those 2 branches off right down to the stump and that will leave a considerable gap on the on side of the tree

You will likely get all sorts of sprouts around the sites of the cuts and cn -- after a while -- choose which to keep, but those branches MUST go.  They're ugly and distracting.
Title: Re: Ficus Burtt-Davyi - Aerial Roots and styling?
Post by: DorianJF on November 26, 2014, 09:14 AM
Thanks J Kent.

I definitely agree that they are ugly. 

I have been watching the series on Youtube of the Bonsai Art of Japan and I was totally amazed at the amount of branches they cut off of the bonsai that they get.  All in aid of future styling.

That being said, it frightens the hell out of me to cut a branch.

So yes, they should go, its just building up the courage to do it.
Title: Re: Ficus Burtt-Davyi - Aerial Roots and styling?
Post by: bwaynef on November 26, 2014, 09:23 AM
That being said, it frightens the hell out of me to cut a branch.

So yes, they should go, its just building up the courage to do it.

The best lesson to be learned is to do the work that needs doing at the earliest possibility.  Doing anything else delays development of the tree.
Title: Re: Ficus Burtt-Davyi - Aerial Roots and styling?
Post by: DorianJF on November 26, 2014, 09:29 AM
Thanks Bwaynef

Very valid statement.

Okay the branches will go.

I will post pictures as soon as it is done.
Title: Re: Ficus Burtt-Davyi - Aerial Roots and styling?
Post by: Herman on November 27, 2014, 12:53 AM
Hey dorian,

Looks like a burt davyi nana.

If you want it small you can cut off those branches. For something bigger leave it to grow a bigger trunk. These are a bit slow and takes a while to gain big trunks, cutting off branches will slow it down quite a bit

Kind regards
Herman
Title: Re: Ficus Burtt-Davyi - Aerial Roots and styling?
Post by: DorianJF on November 27, 2014, 01:01 AM
Hi Herman

Spot on with the Nana

I definitely want to keep it small as I think with the leaf size on the "nana" small is better (well in my view)

I am going to cut off those 2 branches and then leave it till next spring just to recover before looking at what the next step will be.
Title: Re: Ficus Burtt-Davyi - Aerial Roots and styling?
Post by: DorianJF on November 27, 2014, 01:12 AM
Okay...

Heart beating in my throat but I cut the branches off.

I will leave this one till Sept (Spring) 2015 before moving forward with this.
Title: Re: Ficus Burtt-Davyi - Aerial Roots and styling?
Post by: Sorce on November 27, 2014, 07:48 AM
 Dorian,

   Cuz you already reduced them from the  first pic, it made good sense to lop em.
 Or I would have completely Agreed with Herm to let em grow.

I would like to see a pic of it from the same front angle now!
Lot of nice  delicate branching in there to go forward with !

You see that  knob they left....? 
To address that .....

The yellow line branch could be your new sacrifice. I would let it go until the lower trunk gets bigger. Than knob.

The pink branch could probably be removed. It seems it will only add to the knob.

The purple branch.... I would defoliate it. One. So the rest up there can catch up. Two. To keep light on yellow sacrifice.
Maybe in a couple
Of weeks ad then 
Again in a couple mo.

Take advantage. Of the clean
View in.
Title: Re: Ficus Burtt-Davyi - Aerial Roots and styling?
Post by: Sorce on November 27, 2014, 07:58 AM
Sorry phone was acting up.

Now that you can see in there, you can keep everything in line.

I wonder if you could (later) put the wound to the back left and lean it that way too.
Looks like you apex will come forward again. Seems to make a nice image that way.

Pic?

I still can't believe all those figs! I've only seen one on my benjamin.
Real healthy indeed. You've. Given it a good refreshing start!

Thanks for keeping my "summer" going !

Sorce
Title: Re: Ficus Burtt-Davyi - Aerial Roots and styling?
Post by: DorianJF on November 27, 2014, 09:19 AM
Well now I am not a happy Camper :-[

Title: Re: Ficus Burtt-Davyi - Aerial Roots and styling?
Post by: Sorce on November 27, 2014, 11:26 PM
No worries!

My wife always threatens to push my stuff off the windowsill.

I tell her go ahead, it will just add character.  ;D

Plus, you get a looks at the roots.

And if it survives,(it will), you know it's a tough lil bugger.

Hell, just not supporting all those figs should have this thing bangin!

And if the pot was dear enough,it could be fixed  with gold!

Bright side!

Sorce
Title: Re: Ficus Burtt-Davyi - Aerial Roots and styling?
Post by: Herman on November 28, 2014, 12:09 AM
Figs can be Repotted anytime during the growing season here by us...it will be fine dont worry. Pitty about the pot though

Best regards
Herman
Title: Re: Ficus Burtt-Davyi - Aerial Roots and styling?
Post by: DorianJF on November 28, 2014, 01:01 AM
Sorce I like you

Always happy.

I can tell you I was everything but happy yesterday.  Needless to say loads of very choice words were spoken, then some tears, some more choice words and some more tears.  Well I think you get what I went through.

So, you are right, it will add character.  I will put it next to another one of mine that seems to be the toughest little bugger of all (my firethorn).  Maybe the 2 can communicate and support each other.


Plus, you get a looks at the roots.

I didn't have a long look, only a quick glance but I have just thought of something.  There are many good roots. Maybe I should find a suitable rock and make it a root over rock.  But by putting the trunk at an angle, the canopy that I have left will look more natural and I can maybe work it that way - Your thoughts?

Herman, the pot was very nice but then luckily not anything that cannot be replaced. 

Oh yes, here is my tough as nails Fire Thorn.  This bugger has died and come back more times then I can remember.

First pic is 2008 after it had died back and the plan was to "jin" the branches.  But this bugger just kept on dying on me and coming back so I planted it at an angle and let the only branch become the new tree.
Title: Re: Ficus Burtt-Davyi - Aerial Roots and styling?
Post by: Sorce on November 28, 2014, 08:17 AM
I really wish someone else would chime in here too...I don't have any experience with Burtt.


But....the revealed base is nice. My first thought was a Keppler- like ground layer. https://bonsaial.wordpress.com/?s=ground+layer&submit=Search

I believe you could also let some little guys grow along side it too for an eventual fusion of new roots around the Nebari.

And even  put it on a rock if it works....problem with that is, with roots already so large you have to have the perfect rock or it may look contrived..as they say.

Have a look at bonsaihunk.com also for fusions and healing wounds with grafts.

I am pulling for this Burtt.!

Sorce


Title: Re: Ficus Burtt-Davyi - Aerial Roots and styling?
Post by: DorianJF on November 28, 2014, 11:49 AM
Thanks so much for the links.

I will definitely keep this thread going as this one progresses.
Title: Re: Ficus Burtt-Davyi - Aerial Roots and styling?
Post by: DorianJF on April 23, 2015, 06:16 AM
Just a quick update on this Ficus.

It has been growing very nicely but by looking at the trunk, I do not think that it will ever amount to being a good bonsai.

Where the branches broke off and I had to cut them, the areas have created bulges on the trunk.  It is because of this that I do not think it will look nice as a bonsai.

My thoughts on going forward with this bonsai though is to maybe use the tree as a "Cuttings Tree."  That way I could use the cuttings and grow those into bonsai going forward. 

Has anyone done something like this or have a tree that is used solely for cuttings?