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Sorce

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Example of spiritual philosophy.
« on: November 12, 2013, 01:36 PM »
This started as a root over rock experiment.

It will not be displayed for a long time if ever. 5-20 years. But when it is.....

A three point display . 1 Tree rock and pot. 2 A scroll of a high cliffside. 3  a river rock to symbolize the river it cascades toward.

The story.

It grew on the cliffside. Once large enough, the roots broke the cliff face off, and so plummeted the tree to the river.

I am a fisherman, a common theme of mine will be the riverside.

But you see, in twenty years I will not screw up the display, because it is thought of now.

Back to work.....

 

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Re: Example of spiritual philosophy.
« Reply #1 on: November 13, 2013, 08:44 AM »
Okay Sorce,

thank you for the image, and could you update once in a while, would like to see how you grow it.

This one was holding onto life by a single thinner than a pencil root, at the high tide mark.
If it was not collected, it would eventally, be washed away.
Though the Seagrape [ Cocoloba u.] grows on the sand, it is a deception, it actually goes into the clay base
of the island.

At the sea shore, the leaves are thick and often has bumps. Inland, the leaves are thin but still dinner
plate in size.
Grows fruit like grapes, in bunches and are purple when ripe. Salty in flavour, but still used for jams/jellies.

Not sure of the age, it was found back in the early 90's, would have to find an image for exact dates.
[ I am not at home.]

Easy tree to look after.
Would be shown with a small river stone found some few miles away, also on the seashore,where the river
meets the sea.
Good Day
Anthony

 

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Re: Example of spiritual philosophy.
« Reply #2 on: November 13, 2013, 08:56 AM »
I'm not sure I understand the purpose of this thread.  Would the OP (or anyone that knows) explain what's going on here.
 

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Re: Example of spiritual philosophy.
« Reply #3 on: November 13, 2013, 01:29 PM »
Sorry Bwaynef,
I did mean to expand. This is a continuation, of a continuation from your thread I believe.

The continuation http://bonsaistudygroup.com/general-discussion/need-help-expanding-my-knowledge-in-bonsai/

Hindsight is yours I believe.

So that is amazing Anthony, mine was collected on a lakefront in quite the same manner.

I aim to move the middle root to center. So it doesn't cross. Then grow out the top. I think this is an Aspen. But unsure.

 

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Re: Example of spiritual philosophy.
« Reply #4 on: November 14, 2013, 12:06 AM »
I'm actually a little confused too. Correction, I'm really confused, in fact, I'm confused in multiple ways.

1.) Where is the spiritual philosophy? Are we supposed to interpret it ourselves?
2) .Where does the tree in training play into that?
4.) You said you continued this from a thread from bwaynef but you linked my post in the post you said was from bwaynef   ??? 

Are you smoking some spiritual philosophy leaves? Is that the So(u)rce? Is this the matrix or something?
 

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Re: Example of spiritual philosophy.
« Reply #5 on: November 14, 2013, 06:34 AM »
The thoughts started in "hindsight".
To "answers about myself".
Then " need help expanding."

Anthony asked for an example of my spiritual philosophy trees.
This is in response to our discussion about how long it takes to learn .

  It really has nothing to do with Spiritual philosophy.

Except for my philosophy that if you tell someone it takes 5 years to learn to keep plants alive, and 10 to learn design them, they get so caught up in that, the display suffers later because no thought was put into it.  it wasn't on the schedule.

Of course we are always learning, and it takes trees that long to look good. But written in a learning schedule, it is inaccurate. We all learn different. And at different rates.

Feel free to share actual spiritual philosophies, Or just more trees.
 

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Re: Example of spiritual philosophy.
« Reply #6 on: November 14, 2013, 06:55 AM »
If we went to Japan, and they were playing baseball with three bases, we would say it is not baseball.

If we do not respect the spiritual side of Bonsai, complete with proper display, we are lost as well.

Keep the meaning whole, or we will remain just humans with scissors.

 

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Re: Example of spiritual philosophy.
« Reply #7 on: November 14, 2013, 07:13 AM »
Sorce,

if someone starts Bonsai in their teens, and perhaps comes from a family, that has grown Bonsai, the transfer of Knowledge and Emotions, has more than enough time to take place.

Most folk in the West, start Bonsai late in life, and have a good many commitments, so there is a greater drive to just grow trees like how one would grow flowers in a garden.
The feeling of age and limited time, is often very to much stronger than anything else.
Hence the 3 to 5 Horticultural and at least 10 Years Design if doing so often per day.

Remember in the days of the Renaissance, young folk were trained for 7 years in Fine Art and this would start between the ages of 11 to 14 years.
Additionally, they would be examined at the end of the apprenticeship, by master painters [ Heads of the Guild ] and only then would be allowed to practice as independents.
Because Fine Art was a business.

Bonsai has the problem in the West of not being a business, and few can justify getting into it as a profession, or dedicating time from say the teens to growing trees and exploring philosophies.
Note the --- big trunk - attitude, as we call it down here.

Which is why I always try to get the idea/image across of the proportion 1 to 5 and 1 to 6 [ 1 " trunk to 5 or 6" height ] which means at 3" tree is between 15 to 18" tall or wide and 5" is 24 to 30".
AND also how heavy [ you get old ] a bonsai can be [ repotting hmm?]

These little figures allow John Public to aim at something, otherwise you can get lost in Bonsai.

The emotion part is subdued to the craft of growing and Design, and the intellectual part never really awakens,

It is much like Fine Art, the head, the heart and the hand, or the intellect, the emotion and the craft.
Bonsai unless you start young, or have a philosophy of youth [ non age ] will be stuck at the craft, with some emotion, but never intellect.

So for the while, the 3 to 5 Health and over 10 Design will be easiest for folk in the -hobby - to follow.

Fortunately, I started 25 years ago, and  worked alongside a Fine Artist [ who went through a real apprenticeship and not a pay as you go situation ] who started when he was about 18, and has had enough time to explore Bonsai as he explored Fine Art.
The head, the heart and the hand.

The spiritual part evolves naturally once the craft aspect of Bonsai is mastered, you don't have to do anything.
Hope this helps [ sent via Uncle K - I, Anthony, am no painter I just re-typed of this response ]
Good Day
Anthony

Sorce,
this one was found as seedling and replaced one that was lost. We have improved the technique and for the present height have increased dramatically the amount of leaves that can be had on the Sea Grape.
Presently, larger specimens are being tested with a new technique.

The pot is the first pot made in Uncle K's first kiln, made in 1980, in Lafayette, La.
It fell, broke and was lovingly re-bonded in the same kiln.
The tree is from around 89 or so.
It is tended to with love, as it came from the area where Uncle K's dad, rented a house by the sea. The house is gone today,but the tree is there to remind one about all the sunrises seen from the hill.

 

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Re: Example of spiritual philosophy.
« Reply #8 on: November 14, 2013, 01:12 PM »
Nice. Head , Heart, and Hand. I understand.

I don't know of you saw my leaf size post.

But I love the entire image inside the giant leaf. That is a goal of mine.

Much respect to you Anthony.

Sorce
 

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Re: Re: Example of spiritual philosophy.
« Reply #9 on: November 14, 2013, 02:28 PM »
I hope I will be learning my whole life.

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Re: Re: Example of spiritual philosophy.
« Reply #10 on: November 14, 2013, 02:29 PM »
No longer confused, now Confuciused :)

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Re: Example of spiritual philosophy.
« Reply #11 on: October 26, 2014, 11:29 AM »
The moved root grew best!
 

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Re: Example of spiritual philosophy.
« Reply #12 on: October 26, 2014, 03:52 PM »
This is what Peter Warren has to say about it, and why I have such respect for him. He makes a little apology in the beginning but that's just him being British. ;)

http://tinyurl.com/pac8zfz
 

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Re: Example of spiritual philosophy.
« Reply #13 on: October 26, 2014, 05:42 PM »
Spiritual. Ok.