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bwaynef

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Decandle or wait another year?
« on: June 09, 2016, 07:41 PM »
Below you'll find pictures of my JRP that was reported into lava akadama and pumice in the spring of 2015. I did it decandle it then, but did a rough styling, keeping more branches than necessary in the final design all in the hopes that it would build vigor. Anyone with pine, or particularly densiflora experience, do you think I should wait one more year to decandle this one?


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Adair M

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Re: Decandle or wait another year?
« Reply #1 on: June 10, 2016, 11:10 AM »
Are the long hanging needles the ones that grew after decandling in 2015?
 

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Re: Decandle or wait another year?
« Reply #2 on: June 10, 2016, 11:28 AM »
It wasn't decandled in 2015
 

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Re: Decandle or wait another year?
« Reply #3 on: June 14, 2016, 03:47 PM »
Wayne, it doesn't look strong. I would wait one more year to decandle. But, I think you could pull all the old long needles. Getting rid of those would allow sun to get in and promote backbudding.

Do you get much sun?
 
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Re: Decandle or wait another year?
« Reply #4 on: June 15, 2016, 11:10 AM »
I'm surrounded/inundated with old oak trees (and having some removed is cost-prohibitive at this time).  I've moved my trees to the sunniest location I have which gets about 6 hours of sun til about 4 in the afternoon.

I'll try to get those old needles (all of them?) off soon.
 

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Re: Decandle or wait another year?
« Reply #5 on: June 20, 2016, 10:16 AM »
I would not remove too many old needles.

You can, when you decandle, go back more than one years growth, if you have old needles still present in the 2 or 3 year old internode. If you completely remove old needle, you won't be able to "go back" 2 years when you decandle.

If you remove all old needles, you will only be able to remove current years candles in 2017, and will have to rely on buds on bare wood to give you back budding. This means chasing back ramification will take several years longer.

If you keep old needles when you decandle in 2017 you can cut back to the 2016 or even the 2015 candle, and the buds will activate, but you need needles in the internode you cut back to. You can reduce the number, but you need 5 to 10 pairs in each internode to do this.

Peter Tea talked about this recently.
 
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Re: Decandle or wait another year?
« Reply #6 on: June 20, 2016, 04:34 PM »
That makes sense Leo.  Glad I read this before I started working (too much anyway) on this tree.