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JRob

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Creating Great Nebari
« on: September 29, 2009, 06:08 AM »
Good Morning All,

I am interested in learning techniques that are used to create great looking nebari on deciduous trees.  What techniques have you used that have produced successful results and could you please post a picture of the tree on which the technique was applied?

Thanks & Regards,

JRob
 

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Re: Creating Great Nebari
« Reply #1 on: September 29, 2009, 07:04 PM »
I don't have any pictures at this time but.......organize the root flare while the roots are young. Put tree in a escape pot, shallow and wide and put an obstruction underneath to discourage molar roots. Grow heavy foliage head. The more leaves the more trunk in most cases. This is only my opinion.

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Re: Creating Great Nebari
« Reply #2 on: September 29, 2009, 07:20 PM »
JRob,

Are you looking for the huge "map of the world" type nebari, or just a nice big root spread?  There are a variety of techniques used.  Proper repotting can get you a nice root flare while some choose to plant on top of a tile or board and even arrange roots with nails.  Planting into the ground or a large grow box will yield a bigger base, but much of the fine roots may be lost.  If this happens you can try layering or root grafting to grow these back or simply reduce them and replace with smaller roots over time.

Michael Hagedorn has a great blog with this useful tip.  Jonas has some great posts on his blog, here (search "maple" for more great posts).
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Re: Creating Great Nebari
« Reply #3 on: September 29, 2009, 07:56 PM »
Here's one of Boon's that we worked on in January 2008 at the Winter Intensive.  The tree in back we added from an air layer taken from the largest tree in the group.
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Re: Creating Great Nebari
« Reply #4 on: September 29, 2009, 08:19 PM »
John & Gary

Thanks for the suggestions and the links. I found them extremely helpful. I am looking to develop the nebari on two Japanese maples and a trident that I am working on. They are all going to be Shohin size. I'll post pictures tomorrow when I have some time.

John my son spent the this past weekend in your town at a Bands of America competition and if I was thinking more clearly we should have spent some time with you since we were so close. Clearly a missed opportunity.

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Re: Creating Great Nebari
« Reply #5 on: September 29, 2009, 08:34 PM »
John my son spent the this past weekend in your town at a Bands of America competition and if I was thinking more clearly we should have spent some time with you since we were so close. Clearly a missed opportunity.

You're both welcome anytime, just give me a heads up first.  I was in Cincinnati on Sunday at an Advanced Bonsai Study Group meeting with Ted Matson.
 

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Re: Creating Great Nebari
« Reply #6 on: October 10, 2009, 08:20 AM »
After dropping a 400w light fixture on a serissa I've owned since I began bonsai 20 years ago, I was able to rebuild the entire nebari simply by pulling and pinning down sucker growth to the soil until the suckers rooted.  Since then I've used the same technique somewhat successfully for crab apples, surinam cherries, etc.  Works.  You have to wait until the suckers sprout in the right spaces, but on prolific growers that's usually not a problem.  Resist the urge to pin one down that's "close enough" to where you want it because you'll only end up cutting it off later. 

Incidentally, as enough new suckers take root, I've noticed that it also contributes to the overall strength of the tree as well.  I assume that's because the new rooted suckers strengthen the root zone.  That said, be sure to only allow the suckers that you know you'll use grow and snip the rest.  Unnecessary sucker growth can weaken the tree, branches, etc.  So, don't let them grow hog wild. That's counterproductive. 
 

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Re: Creating Great Nebari
« Reply #7 on: October 12, 2009, 12:58 PM »
After dropping a 400w light fixture on a serissa I've owned since I began bonsai 20 years ago, I was able to rebuild the entire nebari simply by pulling and pinning down sucker growth to the soil until the suckers rooted. 

This seems to be a very creative and useful technique, never heard of it before. But I will certainly try it in the future. I have a large serissa shrub of about 4 feet high, growing in the ground in my backyard. It should be an ideal canditate to create a wide, spreading nebari with this technique.

Thanks for sharing.
 

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Re: Creating Great Nebari
« Reply #8 on: October 15, 2009, 07:28 PM »
Michael T-  I'm having trouble visualizing your technique, do you have any pix you could share? Thanks, Vic N
 

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Re: Creating Great Nebari
« Reply #9 on: October 22, 2009, 07:29 AM »
Yes, it's finding the time to take one and post it that's the problem.  I will try to do so sometime this weekend.
 

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Re: Creating Great Nebari
« Reply #10 on: November 04, 2009, 02:00 PM »
Yes, it's finding the time to take one and post it that's the problem.  I will try to do so sometime this weekend.

Bring it to study group this weekend and we'll take some pictures.  ;)
 

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Re: Creating Great Nebari
« Reply #11 on: November 07, 2009, 05:22 AM »
JRob,
Here's a little Trident with the beginnings of very nice nebari.
Developing great nebari usually requires vigorous growth.  If you try to do fine branch development and ramification at the same time, you will dramatically slow the process down.
This tree was grown in an Anderson tray.  Root spread filled the tray - 14" x 14".  The advice from Mike Hagedorn about fertilizing near the trunk should be followed.
Good luck,
Chris
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Re: Creating Great Nebari
« Reply #12 on: November 07, 2009, 01:41 PM »
Developing great nebari usually requires vigorous growth.  If you try to do fine branch development and ramification at the same time, you will dramatically slow the process down.

I'm not sure I follow. 
 

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Re: Creating Great Nebari
« Reply #13 on: March 02, 2012, 02:57 PM »
I'm not sure I follow.

Not sure what I wasn't seeing earlier.  It makes perfect sense that building twigginess and ramification precludes vigorous growth necessary for building nebari.

We have several members here who are recognized around the country as excellent growers.  What are your thoughts on planting over tiles to aid in the development of great nebari?