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bwaynef

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Japanese maple cultivars used in Kokufu
« on: April 09, 2014, 09:36 AM »
I've seen A. palmatum 'Matsumurae', 'Seigen', and 'Shishigishara' with the former being the one used most often.  I've also noticed within the same album that at least one selection denoted as Matsumurae has bark that'd easily distinguish it from all others.

Is the Matsumurae variety named something different in the west, or has it not made it out of Japan?  What about Seigen?
 

Joshua Hanzman

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« Reply #1 on: April 09, 2014, 10:27 AM »
I'm also interested in this with a slight twist. I hope you don't mind if i ask a related question on your thread bwaynef...

i love the bark on cultivars uh like arakawa, and wanted to see what other cultivars develop bark like that, doesn't have to be the same color, just similar texture or something like cork bark. I'm guessing the cultivar you mentioned is another one with fine bark bwaynef?

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Don Blackmond

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Re: Japanese maple cultivars used in Kokufu
« Reply #2 on: April 09, 2014, 04:37 PM »
I've seen A. palmatum 'Matsumurae', 'Seigen', and 'Shishigishara' with the former being the one used most often.  I've also noticed within the same album that at least one selection denoted as Matsumurae has bark that'd easily distinguish it from all others.

Is the Matsumurae variety named something different in the west, or has it not made it out of Japan?  What about Seigen?

Seigen is an excellent variety.  Great color.  I took this photo just today.
 

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Re: Japanese maple cultivars used in Kokufu
« Reply #3 on: April 09, 2014, 09:10 PM »
'Seigen' is sold as "Fire Glow" in America at times.  Masayoshi Yano, the maple authority in Japan, wrote a great book called Book For Maples.  There are also the books by Vertrees and van Gelderen.  Mr. Yano's book is the one I follow for taxonomy. 

I've either seen there or seen photos of:

Seigen
Shishigaishira
Kotohime
Kamagata
Arakawa
Deshojo
Kiyohime
Benihime

I'm sure there are others.
 

William N. Valavanis

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Re: Japanese maple cultivars used in Kokufu
« Reply #4 on: April 09, 2014, 09:38 PM »
Acer palmatum 'Chishio' is a popular Japanese maple trained for bonsai in Japan and displayed in the Kokufu Bonsai Exhibitions. 'Katsura' and 'Beni Maiko' are trained for bonsai, but I've never seen them used in Japan.

The cultivar 'Nishiki Gawa' has corky bark, but is difficult to grow and I've never seen a trained bonsai.

Matsumare is not a cultivar but a selection of Japanese maple. Basically, it's a Japanese maple. The specimens seen in books are probably old with mature bark.
 

Don Blackmond

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Re: Japanese maple cultivars used in Kokufu
« Reply #5 on: April 09, 2014, 10:18 PM »
'Katsura' have super foliage in spring and fall.  Really spectacular color displays.
 

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Re: Japanese maple cultivars used in Kokufu
« Reply #6 on: April 10, 2014, 09:23 AM »
'Seigen' is sold as "Fire Glow" in America at times. 

I don't have anything authoritative, but Mendocino Maples lists both 'Seigen' and 'Fireglow'.  Their descriptions are different, particularly their summer coloration.

Are you saying that they're the same, or that they're sometimes mislabelled?
 

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Re: Japanese maple cultivars used in Kokufu
« Reply #7 on: April 10, 2014, 09:29 AM »
Matsumare is not a cultivar but a selection of Japanese maple. Basically, it's a Japanese maple. The specimens seen in books are probably old with mature bark.

Thank you for that nugget.  Are you aware of any outside of Japan?  What are the attributes of that selection that make it desirable for bonsai?

I don't recall specifically which 'Matsumarae' it was that seemed distinct from the others, but I'll try to review my notes.  This one in particular had bark that was very different from other 'Matsumarae' ...which are usually either white or white with some vertical streaks.  This one had significant texture the others didn't.
 

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Re: Japanese maple cultivars used in Kokufu
« Reply #8 on: April 10, 2014, 10:08 AM »
I think it's 'Seigen' and 'Bonfire' actually.  That's off the top of my head.  I'll look it up later.
 

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Re: Japanese maple cultivars used in Kokufu
« Reply #9 on: April 16, 2014, 08:43 PM »
does anybody know someone who I can buy seeds of this kind of maples. im from Ontario, Canada.. been looking around the internet with no good results..

thanks in advance.