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scottroxburgh

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Tall Japanese Black Pine
« on: May 13, 2011, 01:47 AM »
With fall work completed on this tree (still some wiring to go), I am looking for ideas on improving it generally.

I am stuck with where it should go. Currently, it has that 'bonsai look' but no wow factor. I am in two minds, perhaps the trunk is too thin for the fullish top, so maybe a tall-graceful-slender tree. The other idea is to try to graft a lot more branches (where???) and go for something more fuller?

Thoughts?

BTW roughly 100cm tall

Link to more pics:
http://bonsaistudygroup.com/japanese-black-pine-discussion/1980's-japanese-black-pine/
 

bonsaiTom

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Re: Tall Japanese Black Pine
« Reply #1 on: May 13, 2011, 06:14 AM »
Scott,

What I see here is a graceful bunjin style pine.  You may not like this plan but I would lose the large first branch,  jins to replace it and a couple others.  Focal point is the flow of the trunk.  A nice, yet sparse, canopy would complete the design.

Just my thoughts.  Terrific tree.  I would be proud to have it.

Tom
 

Dave Murphy

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Re: Tall Japanese Black Pine
« Reply #2 on: May 13, 2011, 06:36 AM »
Another idea would be to take that lower right branch and bend it down a bit and more to the right to accentuate the flow to the right.  Good luck, nice tree.
 

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Re: Tall Japanese Black Pine
« Reply #3 on: May 13, 2011, 09:07 AM »
Nice tree Scott  ;D  I think you could go either way with that lower right branch, but one thing to consider is that there is a straight section of the trunk in the middle third that is almost perpendicular to the ground.  If you are not able to but a little bend in it or rotate the tree so that the trunk section is not so straight looking, you might want to keep the lower right branch to hide that section of the trunk.  I'd keep all the branches for now and see how it develops.

Just a thought.  Very nice tree though :D
 

Zach Smith

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Re: Tall Japanese Black Pine
« Reply #4 on: May 13, 2011, 10:13 AM »
With fall work completed on this tree (still some wiring to go), I am looking for ideas on improving it generally.

I am stuck with where it should go. Currently, it has that 'bonsai look' but no wow factor. I am in two minds, perhaps the trunk is too thin for the fullish top, so maybe a tall-graceful-slender tree. The other idea is to try to graft a lot more branches (where???) and go for something more fuller?

Thoughts?

BTW roughly 100cm tall

Link to more pics:
http://bonsaistudygroup.com/japanese-black-pine-discussion/1980's-japanese-black-pine/
Scott, I'm no pine guy but if the tree were mine I think I'd try bringing in the foliage in the lower part of the tree while letting the top grow out some (not taller but wider and a bit more rounded).  I think this would actually accentuate the height and produce a more columnar silhouette.  You often see this sort of thing in nature.

For what it's worth.

Zach
 

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Re: Tall Japanese Black Pine
« Reply #5 on: May 13, 2011, 09:02 PM »
Hi
 The first thing I thought of before I read your post or any of the replies, was that the first branch needs to go. You can jin it to a slightly smaller size than the lower jin to keep the pattern of thinner branches as you get to the top. Yes, you will have a small area of a straight trunk, but lets turn lemons into lemonade. that trunk can probably be bent a little or even alot by someone with experience. Or you can also introduce a nice section of shari between the 2 jins or even better yet, do the shari and put a small bend in it. Some of the heartwood could be dremeled out by someone with experience, then it should bend like the lakers post season (I can make that joke, Im in L.A. and a laker fan)!  ;D
 

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Re: Tall Japanese Black Pine
« Reply #6 on: May 13, 2011, 11:26 PM »
I'd like to see it turned about 130ยบ CW.
 

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Re: Tall Japanese Black Pine
« Reply #7 on: May 14, 2011, 01:21 PM »
bonsaiTom suggested that you develop it into a slanting bunjin, and that was my own first thought. (Since you asked for ideas.) I did a little playing around with your picture in Photoshop, to see how a few changes might look.

As for the straight section of trunk, another option would be to introduce some movement there by means of a thin shari. That's what the gray line in this quick-and-dirty virt is supposed to suggest.

If nothing else, this may spark something in your own thinking.
 

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Re: Tall Japanese Black Pine
« Reply #8 on: May 14, 2011, 02:33 PM »
Deadwood isn't often seen on JBP as traditionally, it tends to rot in it's native location by the sea.  Not to say you couldn't ignore tradition and incorporate some deadwood to great effect.

Removing the lower branch will dramatically change the balance of the tree.  The flow is to the right, so you'll need to adjust to regain the balance.  Also, both lower branches have the same early up, then immediately down movement.  Keeping both you may be able to incorporate this/these shapes into your final design.

Bending the crap out of it is always an option, but from the one angle in 2d I'm having difficulty seeing how or why or where and in what direction to bend.  Would love to see a variety of ideas and virtuals from others.  And, as Wayne suggested, perhaps some photos from other sides?

Just my thoughts.
 

bonsaiTom

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Re: Tall Japanese Black Pine
« Reply #9 on: May 15, 2011, 05:33 AM »
I like Steve's virt.  It's close to what I had in mind.  The pointy apex could then be bent more forward toward the viewer - lowered overall.

NICE!  ;)