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Re: bonsai experience
« Reply #45 on: August 22, 2009, 09:11 PM »
Gary,
OK, I want to get back to the little pine. Gary, why do you think the gentle curve that you have placed in the trunk of this little tree will ever result in a good bonsai? As a matter of discussion, I don't really understand why you put raffia on the tree at all, the bend is gentle enough that good wire would have protected it just fine.

I am not trying to dust up a storm, just trying to see the logic?

John

I am going to put my calipers on that wee little trunk so you can show me with one of your pines John how easy they are to bend. It took everything I had just about to bend that thing. I have not wired too many pines but I was surprised how tough that little bugger was. For the 5 minutes it took to put on raffia it was worth it in the moment of truth.

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Re: bonsai experience
« Reply #46 on: August 22, 2009, 09:22 PM »
Gary, the problem is you waited too long to put radical bends in it without the heavy equipment. I'll bend some next weekend when I am home and post them. John
 

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Re: bonsai experience
« Reply #47 on: August 23, 2009, 07:42 AM »
Sharp bends, smooth bends and such. I have found looking back over the years that wire induced mechanical vein popping bends tend to me smooth. I am not in to tying bolin knots with junipers. Sharp angular quick turns tend to arrive from chops and clips. A totally different look. What I prefer would be to grow the little pine in the field until I get a 4 inch caliper trunk and chop the pine off  for the first move. But that aint an option in S Florida. You got to know when to wire em and know when to grow em. And you got to know not to plant them in the ground.....here. Now you people up North have no excuses.

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Re: bonsai experience
« Reply #48 on: August 23, 2009, 09:07 AM »
I need a 7/8 inch trunk demonstration pine bend. Your only allowed to use your hands and thick wire, no helpers. solomente es muy bueno por favor. I got one copper pole ground and one mega aluminium and I still had to guy wire it down.

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Re: bonsai experience
« Reply #49 on: August 23, 2009, 09:31 AM »
Just curious, but what are your long term plans for this tree, right now I can't see where you're going.

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Harry
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I am glad you brought this up. There is not a meal that I sit down to that I don't remember what it was like to starve for 6 days. Now I appreciate food to a degree that I would not be able to explain unless someone else went through the same ordeal.

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Re: bonsai experience
« Reply #50 on: August 23, 2009, 12:28 PM »
Hmm, so you want me to make the same mistake that you did? I'll bend some, cheers. John
 

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Re: bonsai experience
« Reply #51 on: August 23, 2009, 01:12 PM »
It worked fine so far (5 days). Is this a seasonal thing for wiring? I know one thing, the sap is flowing and I allready see some new buds with added day light on the subject. Or maybe I scarred it to life. It's nice to at least have a plan rather than just another plant.

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Re: bonsai experience
« Reply #52 on: August 23, 2009, 02:58 PM »
Just curious, but what are your long term plans for this tree, right now I can't see where you're going.

Keep it green,
Harry
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I am glad you brought this up. There is not a meal that I sit down to that I don't remember what it was like to starve for 6 days. Now I appreciate food to a degree that I would not be able to explain unless someone else went through the same ordeal.

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Same old kong, I asked a serious question and all I get is, don't talk to me unless you've walked a mile in my moccasins. You will glad to know that you need not to worry about responding to my requests in the future, I will let others who have earned your respect question you.

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Re: bonsai experience
« Reply #53 on: August 23, 2009, 03:29 PM »
The point is Harry to me a real experience requires starting from the roots up in any endeavor. It is just a silly question. Do you think Leonardo Da vinci new the Mona Lisa was going to be famous at the first sitting?  To tell you the truth I have no idea where I am going with that pine but it's a start.

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Re: bonsai experience
« Reply #54 on: August 23, 2009, 06:54 PM »
Now I mentioned before that I thought it was a good idea to sketch out your project first. I think this is a good idea. Here is the trick that will get you out of a jam. When an interested party comes by and looks at your work and wonders what the heck you are doing a new plan steps forward. There is a failure to communicate. The trick is called artistic license. This supercedes all other doctrines. What ever the artist decides to portray, ignoring the bonsai rules, changing established fact is now OK because you are the artist and it takes an artist to understand this language. So asking an artist what he is doing or his painting looks like a child did it, will not get you invited to the next cocktail party.
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Re: bonsai experience
« Reply #55 on: August 23, 2009, 10:42 PM »
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Re: bonsai experience
« Reply #56 on: August 24, 2009, 02:17 PM »
Hey moderator dude or dudess, I ask a question and recieved an off the wall non related response, don't blame me. I can be quiet in Sunday School.

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Re: bonsai experience
« Reply #57 on: August 24, 2009, 02:24 PM »
Harry,
You know he is just here to bait people, you won't see me respond to anything past this.
 

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Re: bonsai experience
« Reply #58 on: August 24, 2009, 02:35 PM »
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