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bwaynef

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Bald Cypress Forest/Group
« on: May 03, 2010, 08:46 AM »
I've never created a forest, but when the local shop announced they were having a forest workshop I felt it was important to support the effort.  We were given 5 trees, a slab, and muck that we helped make.  Through a miscommunication it was NOT announced that we'd be supplying our on moss, so I have yet to add any.  I'll be collecting soon.

Below are my results.  I like it, though you'll quickly see that it needs to develop.  Any advice/pointers/opinions?
 

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Re: Bald Cypress Forest/Group
« Reply #1 on: May 04, 2010, 08:34 AM »
Looking good.  Did the instructor discuss near and far view?  What's the plan with the forked tree?
 

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Re: Bald Cypress Forest/Group
« Reply #2 on: May 04, 2010, 08:47 AM »
There was mention of jinning the right-most fork.  I'm reluctant to do that because, even though it is bc and their wood should hold up to more weathering than most, I can't see something that small NOT rotting away.  ...and I'm not certain it'd look right.

As for near/far view, ...not really.  He did make the comment that while it might be appropriate to have trees of some species on a mound and growing at angles on it, that isn't how BC grow naturally and seems to look wrong in a planting.

He also wasn't a fan of flat-top cypresses.  (Maybe that was just in a forest/group planting though.  I'm not certain.)
 

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Re: Bald Cypress Forest/Group
« Reply #3 on: May 04, 2010, 11:27 AM »
To me, either the trees are too tall or the slab is too short. The relationship is out of proportion. The slab should extend a bit more to increase the airyness of the composition and to provide a bit more "breathing" room for the trees.

I'm not real fond of this kind of treatment with BC. Seedlings tend to look pretty vanilla. All the trees are pretty uniform in diameter and in character. This, of course, will change as time passes and the tree grow branching--but the height issue (not to mention an increasing bulk of branches) will not.

down the road in three or four years, this slab will look extremely crowded, I'd think...
 

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Re: Bald Cypress Forest/Group
« Reply #4 on: May 04, 2010, 12:48 PM »
When the branches grow this summer, it will look a lot different. However, I too am concerned with all the trees being close to the same diameter. With a forest, however, you can always add more to it. Is there any way you could add either a bigger diameter tree, or perhaps a few tiny seedlings to help create a depth perception ? I have been planning a forest, portulacaria afra, for several months, but am still looking for one "tree" that is bigger than the rest in trunk diameter. Larry
 

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Re: Bald Cypress Forest/Group
« Reply #5 on: May 04, 2010, 02:49 PM »
To me, either the trees are too tall or the slab is too short. The relationship is out of proportion. The slab should extend a bit more to increase the airyness of the composition and to provide a bit more "breathing" room for the trees.

I'm not real fond of this kind of treatment with BC. Seedlings tend to look pretty vanilla. All the trees are pretty uniform in diameter and in character. This, of course, will change as time passes and the tree grow branching--but the height issue (not to mention an increasing bulk of branches) will not.

down the road in three or four years, this slab will look extremely crowded, I'd think...

I went w/ the hand I was dealt.  I was under the impression there'd be a more developed #1 tree when I decided to take the class, ...but that didn't turn out to be the case.

I intentionally left them longer than he instructed.  His instructions were to create one canopy w/ the individual apexes of the trees creating the outline.  After spending some time w/ Gary Marchal a few years ago, I've developed a fondness for the flat-top style, although I'm not quite comfortable with my understanding of that style.  I thought I'd leave the apexes alone while I tried to do a  little research to see if I could pull off a forest of flat-tops.  (I've likely spaced them too closely to pull this off w/ any authenticity.)  If/when I decide against that, I'll likely reduce each tree.

Thanks for your honest opinion and feedback.

What are your thoughts on a forest of flat-tops? 
 

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Re: Bald Cypress Forest/Group
« Reply #6 on: May 04, 2010, 09:21 PM »
We all went with the hand dealt to us. The slabs were numbered 1 through 7 and the flats of trees(5 per flat) were layed out in order to correspond with the slabs. Since I was first to show up I got slab #1 and the first flat of trees. These are 3 yr old trees. Not seedlings but young saplings. I wasn't too thrilled with my slab(it wobbles) and the pre-drilled holes where wire was anchored. Pretty much he had them on my slab around the perimeter. Therefore 2 of my trees could not be wired down to hold in place. They are being held by the muck only. I placed moss on mine once I got home. My moss is a mix of several species I collected and I also added 2 small clumps of mondo grass just for my personal enjoyment. Overall I enjoyed it and look at it my money was spent on enjoyment. I was also under the impression that the stock would have been a bit better. Will was hinting at that whenever he'd ask John if he could use one of his monster BC's lying around. Course Will had the biggest slab of any of us too. Below is my forest to add to this thread. My opinion on flat top forest I think it can be done. Only one way to find out right :)
 

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Re: Bald Cypress Forest/Group
« Reply #7 on: May 05, 2010, 12:27 PM »
How about this for a main tree:

http://cgi.ebay.com/BALD-CYPRESS-BONSAI-/110528507133?cmd=ViewItem&pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item19bc032cfd#ht_500wt_1182

I've bought a few trees from Don - he's a standup seller and has great material.
 

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Re: Bald Cypress Forest/Group
« Reply #8 on: May 06, 2010, 08:26 AM »
I've got a few that are a bit better than that one for a main tree.
 

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Re: Bald Cypress Forest/Group
« Reply #9 on: May 06, 2010, 09:51 AM »
I've got a few that are a bit better than that one for a main tree.

I was mostly throwing it out there for bwaynef.  A few posters suggested maybe getting a larger tree in his planting.
 

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Re: Bald Cypress Forest/Group
« Reply #10 on: May 06, 2010, 10:20 AM »
His trees and mine are pretty much the same as we both took the same workshop :)
 

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Re: Bald Cypress Forest/Group
« Reply #11 on: May 06, 2010, 02:10 PM »
Gotcha!   ;D 

Nice work for both of you!
 

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Re: Bald Cypress Forest/Group
« Reply #12 on: May 17, 2010, 01:34 PM »
As I was instructed, I planted the trees into soil consisting of muck. 

Over the next 2 weeks I noticed I wasn't able to keep the muck wet and that the BC were starting to brown.  That with the trees placed in the shade.  I knew that wasn't the optimal location for best growth of the BCs, but I figured they'd grow better in the shade than they would with parched roots. 

I decided to give up THAT fight and take them off the slab.  I planted them into a pot w/ good-draining organic-including mix and will attempt to recreate the forest next year, with muck for WALLS on the slab with bonsai soil contained therein.