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Title: Artisans Cup of Portland
Post by: reddog on May 20, 2012, 02:57 PM
http://artisanscupofportland.com/ (http://artisanscupofportland.com/)

The next step in raising the art of bonsai in America.
Title: Re: Artisans Cup of Portland
Post by: MatsuBonsai on May 20, 2012, 04:07 PM
So..... what is it?
Title: Re: Artisans Cup of Portland
Post by: cbobgo on May 20, 2012, 04:28 PM
A Bonsai Show/contest with a significant cash prize.

- bob
Title: Re: Artisans Cup of Portland
Post by: MatsuBonsai on May 20, 2012, 04:30 PM
Interesting.  A marketer, I suspect, reddog is not. 

This thread nearly got deleted, as it appeared to be random spam.

Title: Re: Artisans Cup of Portland
Post by: akeppler on May 20, 2012, 05:49 PM
excellent....more drama!
Title: Re: Artisans Cup of Portland
Post by: MatsuBonsai on May 20, 2012, 06:24 PM
Drama?  Not really. 
Title: Re: Artisans Cup of Portland
Post by: reddog on May 20, 2012, 06:28 PM
Interesting.  A marketer, I suspect, reddog is not. 

This thread nearly got deleted, as it appeared to be random spam.


Never said I was marketer natsu.  That was not the intent.  Delete if you do not think its appropriate.
Title: Re: Artisans Cup of Portland
Post by: MatsuBonsai on May 20, 2012, 06:30 PM
I think it's appropriate.  You'll probably get more interest if you post more information.

Check out Bill's post regarding the US National Exhibit (http://bonsaistudygroup.com/bonsai-shows-competitions-and-displays/us-national-bonsai-exhibition-who-is-going/msg15440/#msg15440).  Now that's quite a bit of information.
Title: Re: Artisans Cup of Portland
Post by: reddog on May 20, 2012, 07:07 PM
I think it's appropriate.  You'll probably get more interest if you post more information.

Check out Bill's post regarding the US National Exhibit (http://bonsaistudygroup.com/bonsai-shows-competitions-and-displays/us-national-bonsai-exhibition-who-is-going/msg15440/#msg15440).  Now that's quite a bit of information.
or, you could click on the link for more information natsu.
Title: Re: Artisans Cup of Portland
Post by: MatsuBonsai on May 20, 2012, 07:09 PM
or, you could click on the link for more information natsu.

I suppose.  Thanks, rouge.
Title: Re: Artisans Cup of Portland
Post by: akeppler on May 20, 2012, 07:35 PM
No drama...really!
Title: Re: Artisans Cup of Portland
Post by: MatsuBonsai on May 20, 2012, 07:44 PM
Well, Al, I suppose your nose is more keen than mine.
Title: Re: Artisans Cup of Portland
Post by: akeppler on May 20, 2012, 08:04 PM
3.79 million square miles of land in the USA. How many ego's ya think are in there?
Title: Re: Artisans Cup of Portland
Post by: John Kirby on May 20, 2012, 08:16 PM
A few in Fresno?  :o
Title: Re: Artisans Cup of Portland
Post by: akeppler on May 20, 2012, 08:21 PM
Probably just one.

I just call um the way I see um. Ray Charles could see that coming! Was I wrong?
Title: Re: Artisans Cup of Portland
Post by: John Kirby on May 20, 2012, 09:41 PM
Nah, I think you hit it on the head. Since I am not a Japanese trained Professional I won't be sending any trees. john
Title: Re: Artisans Cup of Portland
Post by: Dave Murphy on May 21, 2012, 06:28 AM
The link didn't work for me.
Title: Re: Artisans Cup of Portland
Post by: John Kirby on May 21, 2012, 07:54 AM
Matsu, when we saw Mike at Kokufu,  and then up in Obuse, he was describing the event as a "Professional" show, similar to those in Japan. I think any time you can bring good people and good trees together, you are ahead. My last nComment was probably a bit to acidic for the positive opportunity a Western gathering in the off years for the National Exhibition would bring to the community.

John
Title: Re: Artisans Cup of Portland
Post by: MatsuBonsai on May 21, 2012, 08:38 AM
No worries. Sounds like a great thing happening in the world of bonsai. I look forward to reading more about it once the website is up againg. Until then, anyone else have any more details?
Title: Re: Artisans Cup of Portland
Post by: Walter_Pall on May 21, 2012, 09:21 AM
I have some inside knowledge as I was asked to be one of the judges.

Anyone can apply with any number of trees. The trees are selected, but the selection process costs money, even if your tree is not selected. Trees will be selected by Ryan and Mike. The finally selected trees will be of prime quality. it does not matter who ownes them, who made them, whether imported or home-grown, whether conifer or broadleaved. They just must be good. I think they can be extraordinary, don't have to conform to any rules other than being quite impressive. They can be any size as long as they are not too big.
A single person could have as many trees as he gets accepted.
The exhibit will be an art exhibit, promoting bonsai as an art form. It is not a Japanese style bonsai exhibit with rigid requirements for table, accent object, scroll and such. But one certainly can apply with whatever he likes.
That's as far as I understood the intent so far. Maybe Ryan can jump in here and clarify.

BTW: just in case someone thinks that an untidy unfinished tree will pass as naturalistic piece of art - he is wrong. It will not.
Title: Re: Artisans Cup of Portland
Post by: nathanbs on May 21, 2012, 09:52 AM
I talked to Ryan about this show and it sounds amazing! I am glad to see change for bonsai in the US coming.  In California our GSBF conventions are finally adding a judged portion to the show. There is still an unjudged exhibition as well.  Im not there yet but I strive to show a tree or trees in these events.
Title: Re: Artisans Cup of Portland
Post by: Chrisl on May 21, 2012, 10:42 AM
I agree!  This sounds like a wonderful opportunity to promote bonsai as an artform in the US.  It sounds like the quality will be fantastic too.  I'm glad to hear it's not going to be a traditional Japanese professional show but an American show with less rigidity.  Boy the entire west coast now from Ca. to Wa. is becoming such a hotbed of trees and talent.  Exciting time to be in this hobby!
Title: Re: Artisans Cup of Portland
Post by: Yenling83 on May 21, 2012, 01:11 PM
that link does not seem to be working for me?
Title: Re: Artisans Cup of Portland
Post by: Owen Reich on May 21, 2012, 11:30 PM
The exhibition sounds great ;D.  Shows like this will do nothing but help raise quality standards and understanding of what "good" bonsai are.  As more and more real professionals (I am referring to bonsai pro's who are skilled no matter where they are from or trained) populate America, shows like this will really be great.  I want to go!   
Title: Re: Artisans Cup of Portland
Post by: Yenling83 on May 22, 2012, 07:04 PM
The exhibition sounds great ;D.  Shows like this will do nothing but help raise quality standards and understanding of what "good" bonsai are.  As more and more real professionals (I am referring to bonsai pro's who are skilled no matter where they are from or trained) populate America, shows like this will really be great.  I want to go!   

I feel the same way!  I think healthy competition is always a good thing.  I wonder what bonsai in Japan would be like without the major show/competitions they have?  Or how hard would an Olympic athlete train without the Olympics?  Anyone know if there are any links up about this yet? 
Title: Re: Artisans Cup of Portland
Post by: bwaynef on June 15, 2012, 10:39 AM
Looks like the site's working ...and there's a blog with a little more details that will be trickling in.

http://www.artisanscupofportland.com/index.html (http://www.artisanscupofportland.com/index.html)
http://www.artisanscupofportland.com/blog (http://www.artisanscupofportland.com/blog)
Title: Re: Artisans Cup of Portland
Post by: Elliott on June 17, 2012, 01:53 PM
 A judged show with prize money will definitely bring bonsai up a level. It will also bring in more politics, but that is a small price to pay for better trees.
 Nathan and I have been asked to curate the 2013 non judged portion of the GSBF convention. we have been made aware that some of the Nakanites in the area are against a judged show. I'm not sure why, but since the trees we are going to put together are the non judged part of the show, hopefully we will fly below the radar and not bump heads with the people still doing bonsai around here like its 1978.
 We have more and more Japanese trained artist's coming in and People like Walter Pall are saying we have some of the best Yamadori to be had, so there is no excuse why the USA and Canada can't be known for the best trees in the world outside of Japan in the next 10 years.
 Yes, I know that in Europe they are bringing in trees from Japan, but even then, it takes like 10 years for a piece of raw or semi raw stock from Japan to be show ready, and we were able to bring in trees ourselves at one time that should be popping up about now, but are not. We simply did not take advantage of imports while we could, or we just did not take them to an international level.
 Once we get to high stakes judged competitions, we make it possible for more professionals to make a living at bonsai and this leads to better bonsai being taught to the newbies.
 we have to get away from this "see one, do one, teach one" mentality.