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BonsaiEngineer1493

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Aluminum Wire
« on: December 27, 2013, 06:44 PM »
I noticed home depot sells aluminum wire so I was wondering if it is a good idea to buy from there. I usually buy from hollow creek bonsai. Where do you guys purchase your wire? of course I still need to compare prices

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Re: Aluminum Wire
« Reply #1 on: December 27, 2013, 07:37 PM »
I got an 80 foot piece of 18 strand aluminum wire for free from a buddy that does electrical work.  When uncoiled the strands are about 2mm.  Its great for trees in training because its easy to see which trees have wire on them. 
 

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Re: Aluminum Wire
« Reply #2 on: December 27, 2013, 08:52 PM »
I like that. I found a bunch of copper strands about 2 feet long. And keep anything that will work.

Just make sure it doesn't have anything that will react to any saps and kill your tree.

I think Junipers are this way with nickel or iron.



Someone else should know better, research it first.

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Re: Aluminum Wire
« Reply #3 on: December 27, 2013, 09:46 PM »
I don't know about iron or steel wire for branches on junipers, but Naka put nails in the soil to add iron. Other people use chelated iron for junipers as well.
 

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Re: Aluminum Wire
« Reply #4 on: December 28, 2013, 07:40 AM »
Don't use Galvanized wire. Steel/Stainless Steel wire is fine.
 

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Re: Aluminum Wire
« Reply #5 on: December 28, 2013, 02:38 PM »
Some idyl thoughts.... Or at least mine.
You will start wiring on young trees. In a few years your trees will progress and their quality and value will be better.
Wiring is extremely important. Working with wire isn't easy for some. Different type of wire can create issues if you are not use to working with it.

Soooooo..... Why not work with Bonsai wire from the start. Copper (annealed) is the gold standard. It is harder to work with but it will hold much better. Do you want to wait till you have trees of value to learn?

Again just my thoughts
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Re: Aluminum Wire
« Reply #6 on: December 28, 2013, 04:35 PM »
And there is a learning curve for sure between alum. and copper.  I've done just fine with alum, but switched to copper for my pines this year.  There is quite a difference.  I will stay with alum for my D trees, unless I have a big bend to make.
 

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Re: Aluminum Wire
« Reply #7 on: December 28, 2013, 05:07 PM »
Jay and Judy, I only worked with aluminum wire I purchased from Hollow Creek Bonsai. I was just wondering if I could just hop into my car to go to home depot instead of ordering it online.
 

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Re: Aluminum Wire
« Reply #8 on: December 28, 2013, 05:18 PM »
As far as I know, Home Depot does not carry bonsai type wire.
Perhaps others can Fill you in on other options
 

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Re: Aluminum Wire
« Reply #9 on: December 28, 2013, 05:49 PM »
Jim Gremel has the best annealed copper wire available; especially for larger diameter.  His company is called Deer Meadow Bonsai.  Suggest a cooperative buy amongst a group of people to reach his minimum order for free shipping (like $330) http://www.jimgremel.com/copperwire2106.html.

Julian Adams also anneals his own copper wire and he sells smaller roll sizes.  His smaller annealed copper detail wire is also good http://www.adamsbonsai.com/adamsbonsi2013_008.htm

I get my aluminum wire from Brussel's Bonsai.  My hands have protested the use of Stone Lantern's copper.  If you buy it or already have some, I suggest reannealing it especially for the larger diameter sizes. 

I've seen an increase in availability of aluminum wire from China that has a brown to yellow hue.  I'm not sure if there is a difference, but I do not use it.  If anyone else has experience with it please let me know. 
 

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Re: Aluminum Wire
« Reply #10 on: December 28, 2013, 06:11 PM »
Owen,

you might have seen some Jewellery wire. The Chinese sell coloured aluminium and coloured copper, to look like silver or rich gold.
I have used the aluminium coloured type for simple wiring, I think at 16 gage. The colour fades a bit, but it is a coloured plastic coating.

Once again. Any jeweller can draw scrap copper back into wire, and anneal it for you.
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Re: Aluminum Wire
« Reply #11 on: December 29, 2013, 12:21 AM »
  I get all of my wire at my local hardware. I use the stuff for wiringhouses with. It comes in all sizes. But it is insulated. I have an old grill I get a fire going in and throw the wire right on the grate. When the insulation is all burned off I take it off and toss it in a bucket of water to cool it and wash the residue off. Much cheaper than ordering "Bonsai wire". Copper wire iis copper wire.

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Re: Aluminum Wire
« Reply #12 on: December 29, 2013, 08:26 AM »
  My hands have protested the use of Stone Lantern's copper.  If you buy it or already have some, I suggest reannealing it especially for the larger diameter sizes.   


Sorry Owen :-[ :-[ :'(  
I did buy a bunch of Gremel copper wire, and it is the stuff for sure.  Live and learn....
As far as alum, I used to buy from the monks, but they don't do online anymore.  There's an ebay store that sells pots and wire called Oriental arts and furniture that has good alum.  I got my last batch from Stone Lantern, didn't get the more expensive kind, but the regular quality is ok.  Maybe I'll try the Yoshi type next time and see what the difference is from the Bonsai Aesthetics wire. The aesthetics seems to lighten up in color somewhat after a while on the tree.
 

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Re: Aluminum Wire
« Reply #13 on: December 29, 2013, 09:34 AM »
Michael, there is annealed copper an d then there is annealed copper. Yes you can do your own ..... But... You have to do it correctly. It needs to be brought to a certain temp for a certain length of time. So, read up and make sure you do it correctly.

So, copper wire is copper wire.... But, annealed copper can be tricky.

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« Reply #14 on: December 29, 2013, 11:25 AM »
I have used the alum from stone lantern for a while and was just thinking i liked it, but then realized it's all i know so i have no right to make a comparison. I encourage other beginners to explore other options as well if they have only tried one. Inasmuch, I'm willing to jump in for a group purchase from jim gremel, or if anyone knows a place that sells copper wire (non annealed) for cheap i would be interested in that as well as i have access to high temperature ovens which can be used to anneal q wire.

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